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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1992.07.15 CITY COUNCIL MINUTESl Minutes of City Council Meeting 7/15/92 7:30 P. M. State of Idaho) County of Madison( ss City of Rexburg) Present were the following: Mayor: Nile Boyle Councilman: Jim Flamm Nyle Fullmer Glen Pond Farrell Young Brad Liljenquist Excused: Bruce Sutherland City Clerk: Rose Bagley Attorney: J. D. Hancock Finance Officer: Richard Horner Pledge to the flag. A motion was made by Nyle Fullmer and seconded by Jim Flamm to approve the minutes with correction. All Aye RE: PUBLIC HEARING AMENDING ZONING ORDINANCE #725 7:30 P. M. Public Hearing Regarding Proposed Amendment of City of Rexburg, Idaho Zoning Ordinance No. 725. Notice was given that a public hearing would be held and conducted by and before the City Council of the City of Rexburg, Idaho, on Wednesday, the 15th day of July, 1992, at 7:30 p.m, in the Council Chambers of the City Building at 12 North Center, Rexburg, Idaho, regarding a proposed amendment and change of City of Rexburg, Idaho, Zoning Ordinance No. 725, to provide as follows: That the following described property be zoned H.B.D. rather than Industrial as it is presently zoned. That said property is located in Madison County, Idaho, and is described as: "An area bounded on the east by North 3rd East, south of the Teton River, north of the Rexburg Canal, and west of east City Limit line. No one was at the meeting to object. A motion was made by Nyle Fullmer and seconded by Farrell Young to change the zone from Industrial to H.B.D. on the Walker property listed above. All Aye RE: A.D.A. RESOLUTION 92.4 Mayor Boyle introduced a A.D.A. Resolution 92.4. Glen Pond suggested that we have J. D. Hancock review the resolution before we pass it. RE: REPORT FROM P & Z - MOTION PASSED TO APPROVE THE HENDERSON SUNRISE FINAL PLAT Jim Flamm gave a report on the Planning & Zoning meeting held July 8. At that meeting the Planning & Zoning approved the final plat for the Walker Sub Division and the Henderson Sunrise Sub Division. John Millar presented the plats to the city council. He stated that there are no conflicts with the property owners on the Parkview addition. A motion was made by Jim Flamm that we approve the final plat for the Sunrise Sub Division #1, seconded by Glen Pond. All Aye RE: MOTION PASSED TO APPROVE THE WALKER SUB DIVISION FINAL PLAT A motion was made by Jim Flamm and seconded by Glen Pond to approve the Walker Sub division final plat. All Aye RE: AMDAHL - CURB & GUTTER Mayor Boyle asked John Millar as Amdahl comes in what are they going to do about curb and gutter? On property affected by this sub division ,~ they will put in the curb and gutter as they go. Walker Drive will be put in with curb and gutter this year. They will go to the dike with this particular development and they will comply with the ordinance on the remaining property. John said they would bring it up to grade for drainage. RE: CITY EMPLOYEE COST OF LIVING INCREASE Mayor Boyle told the council they needed to set a cost of living increase for the employees of Rexburg. The magazines show that for the United States and the Northwest Area the average cost of living increase will be 3~ to 3 1/2~. (discussion) A motion was made by Nyle Fullmer and seconded by Jim Flamm to set the cost of living increase at 3$. All Aye RE: CITY COUNCIL CHANGED TO 7:15 A.M. AUGUST 5TH Mayor Boyle told the council that the mayors reception for the dance festival is August 5 at the same time as the regular council meeting. It was decided the council meeting on August 5 would be at 7:15 A.M. RE: BIDS FOR NEW FIRE TRUCK Rex Larson told the council the bids had been opened for the new fire truck. The bids are as follows: Emergency One $206,117, Pierce $200,853, and R.M.E. $195,977. The bid from K.M.E. did not meet the specifications for the motor and the water tank, and Rex recommended that we accept the bid from Pierce for $200,853. A motion was made by Nyle Fullmer and seconded by Glen Pond to accept the bid from Pierce for $200,853. All Aye The mayor reported to the council that ECIPDA had moved and invited the council to look at that part of the building and give their recommendations. RE: REQUEST TO OIL ALLEY BY HARVARD AND 3RD EAST The mayor read a request for the city to oil the half block of alley which runs east and west between Harvard Avenue and 3rd East. (copy attached) The mayor said when it rained so hard the water was really running down the alley between 2nd East and Cornell running north and south. He and John Millar thought they should black top the first 30 feet on both sides of that alley. The next day he got this request to do this alley. It would cost about $2000 to do an alley. Nyle told the mayor the alley behind his house is a different one than the one they have requested to be paved. Nyle said if you do one alley you will have to do the others. Jim Flamm stated if they want them paved then we need to put them on an L.I.D. RE: 8:00 P.M. - PUBLIC HEARING FOR L.I.D. 27 TO SET THE FINAL ASSESSMENT ROLL. (CORNELL AND CRESTHAVEN) Mayor Boyle asked if there was any conflict of interest on their property with anyone on the city council. Brad Liljenquist stated that he did have property in the area involved and would have a possible conflict of interest. The mayor stated that if you declare the conflict of interest you can then sit on the council. The mayor stated that we started this last year and went to bid late in the year and the bid came in high, more than the amount that we had notified the property owners, so we did not accept the bid last fall. This spring we proceeded and put the bids out and got some pretty low bids. All the amounts are less than the amount given last fall. Tonight we will set the final assessments. The amounts have been revised since the notices were sent out. John Millar said there were a couple of addition errors which have been corrected. Brad Liljenquist stated that there were some lots that were not assessed on the drainage and asked John to explain it. Brad Liljenquist, Wayne Loosli, and Douglas Sundberg, the property owners that have frontage on 2nd East, were left off. John said the reasoning was those property owners paid an LID on 2nd East and paid a portion of the drainage on that street, and it was determined by the city where they had participated on 2nd east they would wave the participation on this portion. Brad stated that decision was made before he heard about it. Rich Woodland-145 Crestview Drive - Did I understand that some of those on 2nd East were eliminated from the LID on drainage. Brad don't you have frontage on Crestview. Brad stated that he is on a corner lot and has frontage on 2nd East and Crestview. RE: DISCUSSION OF CITY PORTION OF SIDEWALK COSTS Joe Romney- 53 Millhollow Drive- The notice that was sent out is different than the revised one you sent out. He talked to several people here and mayor Boyle about the city participation on the sidewalk and was told it would be 50~ of the cost, and asked if that amount would be taken off the amount shown. The mayor told him the amount had already been taken off. John Millar said the policy is the city pays $5.40 a square yard or for sidewalk replacement and that amount has been backed off the original cost. The city also pays half on curb and gutter replacement up to a maximum of $5.00 a square foot. Joe Romney asked what the total cost was for a square yard. John explained the cost. Joe said that isn't 50$. It was optional that they replace their sidewalk and he would not have done it if he had known it wasn't 50~ participation. This figures 30~. He stated he had been told by the Mayor it was 50$. John Millar said that sidewalk had been removed. He wondered how binding it was because the mayor told him it was 50~. John said we could bill him for the removal that has been done and then let him replace it on his own. Joe said he was relying on the 50$ participation. Brad Liljenquist stated that his understanding was the city would pay 50$ of putting the sidewalk back in, but not for removing the sidewalk. The mayor said we don't pay any of the removal. Joe said he thought he had talked to everyone he was suppose to before it was removed and was told it was 50~ to take the sidewalk out and put back in. He was not told 30$, he was told 50~ and nothing about not paying to take the sidewalk out. Joe said under the circumstances the city should pay 50~. Glen Pond - It is unfortunate that we have the misunderstanding, but we can't make an exception for you without making an exception for the ones we have done in the past. Rich Woodland- The people in Cresthaven were told the cost would be 50~. Let's get it straight, if you can't come up with the money right the first time and if you can't bid it right, why tack it onto us later, and then conveniently let a City Council member out of his frontage on the same street. It is a trashy way to be treated. The mayor told him every amount is less than the amount given last year. Rich stated it was represented to us one way and now tonight, it is a totally different ball park figure. Rich said he is not worried about the figures given last year, he is worried about now. Nyle Fullmer - He had to agree if we represented that we would pay half, he had a hard time for us to say now we are not going to. Farrell Young stated that we did say 50~ right in a meeting. Brad Liljenquist said he had a problem with it to, in fact he told most of his neighbors that the city would pay 50~ because that is the understanding he had got from the meetings we had here. Nyle Fullmer said he thought we needed to adjust it. Jim Flamm said we need to look at our policy. Farrell Davidson has a standard price he can get the work done for which is $5.40. He is working with a budget and when that budget is gone there isn't anymore. Richard Horner stated it has been 50~ of the replacement, but we don't pay for removal. Brad said that has not been made clear before. Farrell Young said we need a written policy on it. Joe Romney- He thought the lower bid is commendable and request that the entire cost of the sidewalk be shared 50~. RE: MOTION PASSED THAT THE CITY PAY 50~ OF COST OF SIDEWALK & CURB & GUTTER FOR L.I.D. #27 A motion was made by Farrell Young that the city pay 50~ of the sidewalk and curb and gutter costs on this project and establish a written policy and adjust the assessments. Seconded by Jim Flamm. All aye. John Millar said the figures will be adjusted. Joe Ochoa - 1010 Westwood Drive - He was late and did not understand and also he was getting some of his sidewalk done himself. John Millar explained. If you do it yourself we will take it off the assessment, but it will have to meet the specifications. Joe asked what they are doing to the street. John said the street will be repaired as need be. There are major areas that need to be repaired, with a scrub coat and asphalt will be put on the road and then we will put a fabric over that and a two inch overlay over the street. Joe Ochoa asked if that means it wasn't done right in the first place? John said the street has been in for almost 16 years with no maintenance. Brad told him the city is paying for the road. Joe asked what are they getting for their $500? He was told it was for the drainage system. Joe asked if that was something that should have been done in the first place? The Mayor told him when the road was put in the ordinance did not require a storm drain, but it is required now. Rich Woodland stated that the storm drain doesn't work. It is a faulty design. The water still comes up half way in some of the yards. It works about as well as the drains on 2nd East that were put in the wrong place. Any farm boy knows that water runs down hill and that is where you start digging if you want to drain something. The water comes down 2nd East to Crestview and that is part of the flooding problem. Now we are adding more streets built the same as the streets that you are going to try to patch, it is not going to work and it will get under the road again and cause sidewalks to raise and driveways to fall and the road to separate. We are compounding the mistake. We have gone ahead as a city in retaining the same firm to make the same mistakes again. Some of the fluff of the fine soil ie ending up on Cornell under the sidewalks. We have pictures to show you the drain doesn't work and pictures to show you the street doesn't work. After the winter when things started to thaw, water came squirting out of the street all the way down. A band aid on top of that isn't going to hold it in. You need to do it right now. The mayor said if we do it right now, it won't be done this year, because we don't have the money. Rich said I don't care, I would rather have it not now than to have to pay for another one before the LID is even up. The mayor told him he would not be assessed for a street. Rich asked if they would be assessed for a sidewalk and curb and gutter again. He said he certainly would not pay for it a second time. They had all stood still for it this time and you guys have gone out and come up with somekind of a street plan and somekind of a drainage plan that doesn't work. We are doing the same kind of mistakes, with streets that are not level. We are going to have it again. If we can't do any better than that then we should not be sitting behind there. The mayor told him he could run for election next time. He also told him the storm drain is on the low spot. Rich said if it is on the low spot why does it only take half of the water, it went right up over the curb. The mayor said it went up over the curb a little bit but nothing like last year. Rick said not a little bit, go look. The mayor told him he was there. Rich said he was there too and they have pictures of it. The mayor said some water went over the curb and asked Rich if he was there last year. Rich said he was there before the mayor ever got there and before the city crews got there and he is the guy that threw up the dirt. The mayor told them the city looked at doing a storm drain where we picked up everything in that addition and the cost then would have been about $1200 a lot. We didn't think everyone up there wanted to pay $1200 a lot. Blair Manwaring. There are two or three things he wanted to clear up. Some of the assessments went out with the wrong address since they moved, he would check with Rose on it. He asked as the contract was let is there any in there for contingencies. John said there was. Blair asked if there was enough in it to pay for the problem with the sewer manholes. John said they had already been taken care of it. Blair asked if the assessments could be assumed if the lot is sold? The mayor told him it stays with the property unless you pay it off. He did not understand the assessment on the storm drain. John explained. Blair said if you want to see it rain you should be in Virginia, they have as much in one storm as we do all year. They really have problems, they provide catch basins and detention ponds and still have a problem. He asked if the back fill behind the curb was included and John told him it was. Janet Williamson- 930 Westwood- I understood last year, that you were going to have everyone put in sidewalks including those that don't have sidewalks and they would be assessed for sidewalks. There are a few houses up there that haven't had sidewalks. Should they have them now with this LID? Blair Manwaring said the restrictive covenants require sidewalk, but no one enforced it. They require that the property owners put in sidewalk when the property is built on, but no one has enforced the restrictive covenants. They need to put it in on their own. The mayor said if it wasn't in we did not require it. Joe Ochoa said, as he understands it, if you have a bad sidewalk you have to replace it but if you don't have a sidewalk you don't have to replace it? The mayor said that was right but there will probably be remedies in the future. The Planning & Zoning recommended that sidewalks be put in all over town. Lonnie West- 125 Crestview- If you put the road in, how do we proceed from there? How will they do that so we will have access to our home? John told her there would probably be one day that they probably would not have access. She said what do you do if you have children. That terrifies me because I have nine children and I am afraid that I will be stuck and can't get to them or can't get them out. John said if worse comes to worse she could drive over the oil, but we would hope it wouldn't be driven on. She said it really concerns her that they would close her street. John said they will pave Westwood in one day. She said if your stuck, your stuck, isn't there any other way you can do it maybe one side at a time. John said no, it is difficult to do one side at a time, it all needs to be done at once. She said they are putting in those two roads across the street from her and in a windy section of town so she gets so much dust it has caused all her kids to have colds. Can't they water those roads more than they do. John said they are watering them, but maybe not enough. She said it looks like little sand dunes during the day. She can't even leave her windows open it is so bad. She asked if they could water it more? Blair Manwaring suggested that maybe the contractor needed to seed or sod the open ground. Maybe a policy needs to be adopted. If the neighborhood children would stay off it would help. He didn't like their dust coming in on him when he is working. A question was asked who is responsible for the protective covenants as far as enforcement? There was a committee of three property owners that sets up a committee that is suppose to enforce the protective covenants. The city does not enforce protective covenants. Blair Manwaring said he, Bryan Burk, Rent Jolley and his wife were on the committee originally. Blair said he would be happy to get the committee in force. The mayor said the property owners need to re-form the committee. Then they can enforce the covenants. Tammy Egbert- from Crestview- she took some pictures when they had the flash flood last Sunday. She said we get a lot of water off the new street and she got a lot of it on her lawn. It comes to Sullivan's driveway and then it goes in her driveway. Is there going to be a drainage there so they don't have to replace their new sidewalk? She showed John Millar the pictures. He said he would see what they could do. The mayor said we had trouble with the storm drains all over town with the water surcharging. Anita Williams -240 Cornell- She sat in her window Sunday and watched the wall of brown water come down the street. It bothers her that they are not putting some gravel in with the top soil they are using for base for the curbs and gutters because it is still so spongy that they can't get it to pack down. Their packer just keeps sinking. She was aware of an area near her driveway that a lot of the water disappeared before it ever came across her driveway. She is sure it was washing under the driveway. When they took her driveway up it was partially hollow under it. We need something the water can drain through. John Millar said there are some area we have had to go in an pull all the material out. Any areas that are too wet will have to be removed. Anita said down on the north end where they put gravel, it is packing really good. Joe Ochoa- I don't understand why the people that have the sidewalks are getting assessed to replace them. The people that don't have sidewalks don't have to have sidewalks. The mayor said it is probably an oversize. They should have been made to put them in before. Mr Ochoa did not understand how the city could say you have to take out your sidewalk and put in a new one, but you aren't going to make the people who don't have a sidewalk put one in. The people who did what they were suppose to do are suffering the consequences of the shoddy work. The people who didn't do what they were suppose by putting in a sidewalk can do what they want to. John Millar told him the only sidewalk they are required to replace is the one that has to be replaced to fix curb and gutter. He told him when his driveway was done someone broke the back off the curb. Most of the new ones are being saw-cut or replaced so the drainage will stay in the curb and gutter instead of going down the crack between the sidewalk and curb and washing out people's curb and gutter. You have to replace the sidewalk when you replace the curb and gutter. Jim Flamm stated when the people at the top of the hill put their driveway in, instead of making a nice cut where the curb and gutter existed, they broke it off and tried to seal the cement over it. The seal did not hold through the years and because the water worked in the seal it has created problems with the water coming under it. That is a insufficient job being done by who ever did that particular driveway. It isn't anything to do with the city street. We have those problems all over town. John Millar told them it is policy now to either saw the curb or take it out and repour it. Michelle Jeppesen - 135 Crestview Drive- She wanted to know the date they will start replacing the curb and gutter. They are still going to do their own, because they want it done with gravel, so in 5 or 10 years they don't have to do it again. John Millar said they would be paving within two weeks. Lori Woodland- 145 Crestview Drive- two summers ago, we had some neighbors move in and because the sewage system wasn't level or the right type, they had to replace half of our sidewalk. It is already pulled away from the curb. Within two years what is going to happen if we continue to do the same thing. Joe Ochoa - Are you getting a second opinion on the engineering? Why are you getting the same people who engineered it in the first place to do it all over again? John Millar said his firm engineered it but he did not engineer it. All the people that engineered it are gone. Brad Liljenquist - What he is hearing ie what happens if what we are proposing washes out again and we loose some curbs and gutters within 5 years, is the city going to go back in and replace them at the city's 7 expense? Jim Flamm said it is a valid concern about those people who don't have sidewalks, needing to put in their sidewalks. Blair Manwaring said his experience was a few years ago when he did some drives on this same soil and found they were unsuccessful unless he put 4" of gravel under all those slabs. He wondered if that would be a solution. John Millar said the worse one we have had in town is the East Stake Center. That was originally put on gravel and within two years the curbs had dropped a couple of feet. What happens is the gravel ends up being so course that it provides a conduit for the water to run. His recommendation for curb and gutter was to put a geo-tech fabric under it so it would preclude any movement of soil under the curb and gutter. No one seemed to like that idea so it was dropped. Brad Liljenquist - If our sidewalks do cave in, if we ask the homeowners to pay for it again they won't do it. Is the city willing to commit to pay for that if they happen to cave in or separate. Nyle Fullmer - He resents the insinuation that the city is padding Forsgren's pocket and that we will let them go up and misengineer anything else. We stand to loose as much and more as a city than the property owners do. I realize that you people are concerned about what is being put out. I resent the fact that you are insinuating that we are up here unwillingly looking at a situation and band aid it to get it out of our way for now. I think as a city council we have tried to do the best and make the best decisions that we can. I personally have a lot of faith in Foragren's. You can go through out the city and see where they have done excellent work for us and continue to do so. I realize that there is a difference of opinion. I think that if you have the engineering background more so than they do then he would encourage you to make any tests that you would like to show us a better way to do it. I think that Forsgren have gone up and tried to do the very best they can. They are trying to do it the most economical way for everybody envolved. I don't think that as a city we can guarantee anyone's work anymore so than you guarantee any of the work that you are going to do. I think it is a little bit out of reason of anyone to ask for that. You show ua the pictures of the water last Sunday and expect us to buy off on the fact that the gutters and drainage system did not handle the water. We engineer for typical weather as to what we normally have. On a normal day I would expect that the gutters and drainage system would work. You can go anywhere in the city, for example at bottom of the 4th South and 2nd West the water was almost axle high. You can't expect to judge the system on what happened last Sunday. The city trya to do the best job we can and Forsgren's try to do the best job also. They have a good reputation in Idaho and all over the northwest. They are doing a good job and he for one supports him. He did not think we could guarantee that in three years it is not going to drop, but I think we are doing the best job we can. Lonnie West - We have watched this happen repeatedly. We have watched neighbors do their driveways and they fall apart in a few years. We feel the road was put in wrong in the first place and would like to have enough money to tear it out and put it in right. We are going with the way you want us to do it. We put in new driveway and sidewalks. We don't expect you to guarantee the driveways and sidewalks for 40 years, but in a reasonable amount of time if they start breaking down in two to five years, we feel that we have warned you about this. Nyle told her you don't know what the weather will be in two to five years. It may be done right for this year. If all of a sudden we have a wet winter and a fast melt, we don't know what will happen. Lonnie said if in two or five years it falls apart, I don't feel responsible to come back and do it again because I have done it your way the second time. How many times do we have to come back and do it. If this isn't working, lets do it another way. Blair Manwaring asked if an inspection was done. John Millar said he looked at it. David Pincock- He had a building permit and put in concrete. We never had anyone inspect the concrete. We had a building inspector, but no one inspects the concrete. The mayor said we do not have anyone inspect concrete. David asked if someone was inspecting this project. The mayor told him the contractor is being inspected by Forsgren's. Someone is up there every day. Dave said there is soil that has built up behind his house, and when it rained on Sunday the water came gushing down through his yard bringing dirt and debris. I think it should be put back the way it was before and seeded. I would also like to know when they designed the drain system, why they did not put a drain at the end of each street? They are expecting the entire street to take the flow of two small streets, two full size streets and one more street. When it comes out of those streets, water is coming across. The other day when it came it didn't turn either. He thought there should have been a drain at the end of each street if it was engineered correctly. The mayor told him that was engineered and presented as an option, but the cost was more than everyone wanted to pay. It was about $1100 a lot instead of $500. David said the lots that are in front of those streets are going to wash out. They will have to replace them every three to five years. You backed off at a point you shouldn't have. If you engineered and designed it you will know that water isn't going to act that way. John Millar said it isn't engineering and designing, someone has to pay for it. He told him if you want to pay for it you can put something in there that will take every drop of water. David Pincock asked if they told the people that they were putting in a drain at the end of the street but it would not help them. John said it wasn't meant to help them it was meant to help the property owners below them that are being damaged by the water from your sub division. Nyle Fullmer said it isn't the city's responsibility to pay for it. David Pincock said you put in a drain to help the people below, but did not put in a drain to protect the people from the sub division. Nyle told him the developer did not put in the drain, it isn't our responsibility to put in the drains. David said it was part of the city and they should have overseen that. The mayor told him when it was built it wasn't part of the city and was annexed later. Jim Flamm said as he understood the situation, all the things we are being asked to do tonight were proposed and turned down. J. D. Hancock told them that at the last public hearing the land owners chose to do this which is inadequate because it cost leas. David Pincock said the curb and gutter is a lot thicker and looks good. He asked if they could seed that ground because it would help. John Millar told him if need be we can seed it. The mayor asked John Millar how long it would take him to get the figures with the city paying 50$ on sidewalk and curb and gutter. John said he would have them tomorrow. Brad Liljenquist asked if everyone that did their own work would get reimbursed? David Pincock - Since he is new to all this the allocation was $500 for the drainage and how this could be paid. Richard Horner explained. Tammy Egbert- Wondered why the Clingers are not in the sub division but but why aren't they required to pay an assessment. They use our road. The mayor told her they are not in the city. Glen Pond said it isn't just your road it belongs to the city and anyone can use it. David Pincock asked about the drain, it protects Clingers more than anyone. Glen Pond said that is the benefit they have from being where they are. Brad Liljenquist said he is paying for 2nd East and none of the people in the sub division are paying for it and they use it. Tammy Egbert - Will there be drainage on the new roads. The mayor said it will run down the roads. Jim Flamm - asked if some of those changes could be made if the property owners want to do it. The mayor told them we could make those changes anytime if they want to pay for it, but it would be better ~y before we do the road. John Millar said it could be done physically, but could not be added onto the LID, because it would raise their assessments out of the allowable limit which they have been formally informed of. The only way we could do it is to postpone the paving and do a second LID which would handle additional cost for piping or the city to pick up the cost. Tammy Egbert- All those people are going to move on those two streets and loose all the water and I am going to get it in my new house now. Nyle Fullmer - If the neighborhood is not comfortable with this and want it redesigned to put in the drainage system, then I think we need to propose the LID and do it. If the people want it done and are ready to pay for it, then I think we should do it. Rich Woodland - He was not at a meeting where it was turned down, but he was for it. John Millar- The city picked up half the coat of the the storm drain that has already been put originally. Rich Woodland asked if the property owners would have to stand the full cost. The mayor said it would be up to the council. John Millar said if the council wishes he could review those costs and have them tomorrow. Farrell Young stated John Millar had presented it to the residents the last time we had a public hearing and you folks didn't want it. Nyle Fullmer said he felt the same way, but there are a few new faces. Rich Woodland- I apologize to you gentlemen for loosing my temper. It is time to do it right. If we have to come back in and add storm drains, we need to. It appears that it is not adequate. Nyle Fullmer said we need to do it right. John Millar said if it is is determined that is the moat feasible alternative, we would put a pipe under the two new roads. There might be a way he could figure it at a little less cost. The mayor said we would have to wind up the LID this year. We have a financial obligation to finish this LID, because we have to pay Beco Construction. There is no way we can stop the LID, because we have no money to pay Beco Construction. After reviewing the estimate last time, John stated that we would have added $750 per lot. (discussion if we could increase the LID) John said he would have the costs tomorrow and would come up with more than one alternative. We could put the storm drain in as far as the new road is going in now, and as the next street developes, they would pick up that cost. Lori Woodland- Will the short street go all the way through? Wouldn't it be economically feasible to put that in, so we don't have to come back in five or seven years and put in another storm drain to drain that street? John said provisions are being made so we can do that street. That is a great increase in cost to add two more storm drains. John said the $500 was only a portion of the cost. The city picked up over half of the cost. The mayor asked if there were anymore questions. (council discussion) Lori Woodland- If our neighborhood decides to do this on the storm drain can you issue a separate LID? The mayor said we would have to go through all the legal things on an LID and could not get it done this year unless you want to pay for it up front. John Millar said we are locked in this project. The overlay could be postponed a year. You could then initiate another LID. You would be tight on getting it done this year, but you could come back next year and finish out the storm drain. ~~ Nyle Fullmer said they could do their concrete. If we postpone the overlay another month can we still get it done this year. John said we could. A motion was made by Nyle Fullmer to approve the LID as it is written now, but that we postpone the overlay of the Crest View Addition until we can find out about the storm drainage and get some proposals from John and have some more neighborhood meetings and public meetings on extending the storm drainage and see if we can pursue that and get it ready to go either later this year or next year. Seconded by Glen Pond. All Aye The mayor said we have a meeting at 7:30 P. M. on July 21, we could meet at 7:00 P. M. Brad would contact everyone. Janet Williamson asked about street lights on her street. The mayor said we would look at it. A motion was made by Nyle Fullmer and seconded by Glen Pond to adjourn. All Aye. Mayor, Nil Boyle City Clerk, Ro agl 1 l~ TO THE HONORABLE REXBURG MAJOR: We, the undersigned, hereby request that you consider oilin the half block of alley which runs east and west between Harvard Avenue and 3rd ~ To hard surface this half block of alley would encourage many of the Lincoln School children to use this route which is far safer than the half block just below the school on 2nd South. Many of the cars coming down that hilt from Lincoln School travel a little faster than usual and those students who ride bicycles would be far safer using the alley rather than 2nd South. Also when the Rexburg southwest wind blows, the dust from the alley showers the houses to the north. We ask your consideration to make this improvement. [1 a~ a~ Since - ly, ~~77~ -/ r ~n . ~~~~~~ ~=~ rte- '' f ~J~ ~~~