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HomeMy WebLinkAboutP&Z MINUTES OCTOBER 16, 2003;- ~ CITY OF REXBURG PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:00 p.m. Chairman: Winston Dyer Members: Robert Schwartz Mike Ricks -Excused Steve McGary Jerry Hastings Mary Haley David Stein Joseph Laird Randall Porter Public Works Director John Millar Finance Officer Richard Horner -Excused P & Z Administrator Kurt Hibbert City Attorney Stephen Zollinger City Clerk Blair D. Kay -Excused Madison County P&Z Commission Members who attended: Jill Sutton Millie Andrus DaNiel Jose Mindy Virgin Ralph Robison Jan Merrell Blair Manwaring Boyd Cardon Portions of the meeting were recorded. The members of both Planning Commissions and the public were welcomed to the meeting. 7:05 p.m. Conditional Use Permit fora 35 foot high sign at the Teton River Village 485 North 2nd East (Cameron Gunter) Kurt Hibbert reviewed the allowable square footage for signs on this property. Their property can have a total of about four signs. The developer wants to combine the signs into one bigger sign which would be about 36 feet tall. Since the sign ordinance requires • 1 all signs to be a maximum of 24 feet in height without a Conditional Use Permit, the developer has requested a hearing for a Conditional Use Permit. Cameron Gunter mentioned that one sign would be easier to maintain and the sign would not look so crowded at the taller height. Winston Dyer wanted clarification on the location of the sign in the development. ' Cameron indicated that the sign would be located near the center of the two entrances to the Teton River Development. David Stein asked about the four signs that they could have on the property. Discussion on Jack in the Box's sign. Jack in the Box is not included with this proposal because they are an independent parcel from this development. They showed on aerial map where the sign would be located. Randall Porter asked which way the sign would face. The sign would be read from the north and south directions. Winston asked for Public comments: Those in favor of the request -None Those Neutral or unopposed to the request -None Those against the request -None f ~. The Public Input for the request was closed. Discussion of how high the Sign Ordinance allows signs to be now. Joe Laird talked about when the sign ordinance was put together and how the people on the Planning and Zoning Commission then took a lot of time and thought into putting the Sign Ordinance together. Jerry Hastings moved to table the discussion; Randall Porter seconded the motion; all voted aye, none opposed. The motion carried. 7:15 p.m. Countywide Planning Roundtable (Three Planning Commissions from Madison County, Rexburg and Sugar City) -Discussion on the concepts and principles that might factor into the individual Comprehensive Plans for the area. (Includes viewing a video "Save our Land, Save our Towns") The Commissions watched the video called "Save our Land, Save our Towns". Kurt Hibbert handed out a viewer's guide about the video. Kurt passed out a map of the City of Rexburg and Madison County. • • 2 {'"~ Open discussion on ideas heard from the video. There was discussion on what would help the Commissioners create the kind of community that the residents would like to see. Ralph Robison indicated that the key element is the creation of jobs. Winston Dyer commented on the booths that were set around town during the survey last summer to get public input on the. Comprehensive Plan. One of the main items that received public input was the need to create more good jobs for the community. Millie Andrus talked about having shops and retail stores in Rexburg so that people from Rexburg do not have to keep going to Idaho Falls to shop for clothes. Boyd Cardon talked about having more parks and green space. Blair Manwaring commented on the aesthetics of the buildings in Rexburg. Blair indicated that places should be maintained instead of being torn down. A student commented on the need to keep the City from sprawling out. A student commented that it is good that the commissions are address these issues right now. i ~ Mindy Virgin commented on people wanting to live on bigger lots. Blair Manwaring commented that everyone wants to build in the county instead of the city due to the new impact fees that the City recently adopted. Ralph Robison commented on the City Business Park out by Artco. The Business Park is now starting to fill up with buildings after it was designed about 5 years ago. He mentioned that there is slow growth of the City instead of sprawl. Millie Andrus commented on Idaho Falls and their mess on 17t~' Street. She commented on the Green Belt in Idaho Falls and how there are always people walking on that Green Belt. The residents of Idaho Falls are putting their Green Belt to good use. Shawn Larsen commented on a recent annexation where the property did not have access to City water for fire protection. One property in particular was mentioned that did not have a fire hydrant close by to provide fire protection. Shawn indicated that they cannot build anything there because there is no water to fight fires. John Millar commented on the Impact Fees that are being collected to help the City pay for the City Parks as the Community grows. Boyd Cardon mentioned that the City and County should be one in planning for the !. ~ future growth of the Community. Blair Manwaring commented that there are so many cars available to the public now for transportation that almost everyone uses an automobile to travel instead of walking. Stephen Zollinger asked if the County has thought about implementing Impact Fees that might match the City so residents would not build in the County because of the City Impact Fees. Kurt Hibbert indicated that it is good that the youth are here for this meeting to hear the Commissioners talk about planning issues for the future growth of the City. Randall Porter indicated a need to have open space located in the County. Millie Andrus mentioned that a lot of people say they think it is cheaper to build in the County. She indicated that by the time they have a septic tank put in and the gas it takes to get into the City, it would probably be the same amount as building in the City. Winston Dyer suggested having a representative from each Planning and Zoning Commission sees the others Comprehensive Plan. Ralph Robison talked about having a meeting every six months to share ideas. Boyd Cardon seconded that idea. Once every three years does not work. They discussed the ~- idea of meeting every six months from now on. Shawn Larsen requested that the County Commissioners and the City Council would be invited to those meetings. Stephen McGary requested that the agendas for all of the Commissions be made available to the other Commissioners of the respective jurisdictions. If they have an interest, then they can come to the meeting of the respective Planning Commission. Stephen requested a copy of the minutes from each Commission be made available to all of the Commissioners. Ralph Robison talked about how Jefferson County is growing more now partly because the Commissioners in Madison County that were on the board about five years ago did not want Madison County to grow; therefore areas around Jefferson County have grown more than Madison County. Mindy Virgin commented that she has learned to appreciate the Rexburg Planning and Zoning Commission and their time and efforts. End of discussion from both of the Rexburg and the Madison County Commissions. n 1~../ 4 Continued discussion for Conditional Use Permit fora 35 foot high sign at the Teton ~'' ~ River Village at 485 North 2°d East Jerry Hastings moved to bring the Teton River Village Conditional Use Permit for sign height back off the table; Randall Porter seconded the motion; all voted aye, none opposed. The motion carried. Kurt Hibbert reviewed on the sign request on the overhead screen. Discussion on the Sign Ordinance. The Commission reviewed what was said before the item was tabled. Discussion on having the sign shorter. If the sign was shortened then the letters on the sign would have to be smaller or the sign would have to be wider causing less visibility. The staff requested the Planning and Zoning Commission to make it a condition in the motion that they could not come back and want to have the other 500 sq. footage of their signs. The requestor indicated that if the Planning and Zoning Commission want them to shorten the sign, the sign people would want to put up two signs instead of one sign to display all of the store's names. Randall Porter indicated a concern of letting them put up this size sign and then establishing precedence for others to follow. ~. • Winston Dyer commented that this request does fall within the Sign Ordinance where the Ordinance indicates that any other exceptions would require a Conditional Use Permit. With a Conditional Use Permit, the Commission can set up certain conditions that have to be followed. David Stein talked about wanting to have this sign design in the design standards with the commercial signs so that other signs can look as good as this sign. Stephen McGary moved to grant a Conditional Use Permit fora 35 foot high sign at the Teton River Village at 485 North 2°d East per the request with the following conditions: 1) This will be the only free standing sign at this development. 2) The sign will be placed in the center of the two entrances. 3) The same style, color, and design that have been brought before the Commission will be maintained. 4) There will be no additional attachments such as balloons or streamers placed on the sign. • 5 David Stein seconded the motion; Discussion; Question; Those voting aye Robert Schwartz Steve McGary Jerry Hastings Mary Haley David Stein Winston Dyer The motion carried. Those votinE nay Randall Porter Joseph Laird Stephen McGary moved to approved minutes for October 02, 2003; Jerry Hastings seconded the motion; all voted aye, none opposed. The motion carried. Adjourned at 10:35 p.m. U • • 6