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HomeMy WebLinkAboutP&Z MINUTES NOVEMBER 12, 1997 • DATE: (111297) Planning & Zoning 11/12/97 Present were: Chairman: John Millar Members: Davawn Beattie Ted Whyte Gary Steiner Doug Smith Mary Ann Mounts Jim Long Roger Muir City Clerk: Rose Bagley Attorney: Stephen Zollinger Engineer: Joe Laird 6:00 P. M. Work Meeting on the Comprehensive Plan with Ra Nae Magee. A motion was made by Davawn Beattie and seconded by Roger Muir to approve the minutes of 10/22/97. All Aye Mary Ann took charge of the meeting while John Millar was gone to another commiiment for about an hour. • RE: LANCE GODFREY PRESENTED HIS SITE PLAN FOR STORAGE SHEDS TOPIC: (500,30,,,STORAGE SHEDS,LANDSCAPING,FENCE,WATER) Lance Godfrey presented his Site Plan for construction of two more storage facilities. He had his architect draw the plan with the future residence with some of the landscaping that he plans to put in. (copy attached) Nothing has changed on the drawing since the last meeting except in the open space he put the the house plan and some of the landscaping. Roger asked him about fencing. Lance stated that there was some problems with fencing with slats. It snows and blows out there and there are no neighbors close. If he puts in a seven foot high fence in the snow drifts would be seven foot high. He discussed size and costs of fencing. If some houses were built next to him so it wouldn't drift so much, he could put a fence with slats in. He will put a chain link fence in. Discussion on putting trees in. He does not have water out there so at the present time he would not be able to water the trees. He stated that this proposal would last for one or two years and then he would be back ready to build somemore storage sheds. Stephen stated that anytime a change of commercial use occurs next to or surrounded by residential properties they can re-visit the screening issue. Discussion on where the trees will be put. He would not mind screening it from the frontage road. Mr Godfrey stated that he had no objection from #2 to the corner of putting screening in there or a fence with slats in it. The city will have to wait for the trees until he gets water out there. (discussion on landscaping and screening) ~~ Stephen told the board according to the ordinance, he can come up with the landscaping or fencing then the board can okay that proposal. A motion was made by Ted Whyte to approve the plat with a note on the north side of the open area space at a future time will require screening to be approved by .this board. Lance said he would do slat screening with that side of the property so he would not have to come back again to another meeting. The board felt that would be okay for the screening. Discussion trees. Motion was seconded by Roger Muir. All Aye RE: COREY KIDD SENIOR CITIZEN HOME CARE TOPIC: (500,31,,,KIDD*COREY,SENIOR CITIZENS,RODNEY) Corey Kidd Senior Citizen Home Care- Corey stated that they currently care for two foster patients in their home. He asked if he would be required to have a Home Occupation License for that type of care? Stephen explained if these Senior Citizens were children it would be considered a Foster Parent but because they are Senior Citizens Mr & Mrs Kidd are here to make sure the type of function that is currently being carried on now at the Kidd residence is approved. This might become more prevalent through out the State of Idaho. It is a common practice throughout the State of Washington. He needs to make this board aware that he gets paid to have two Foster Tenants so the board needs to affirm or disaffirm that it falls into the .category that he doesn't need a Home Occupation License because it is like Faster Care. Cory told the board that the State Requires them to only have two. Stephen suggested the board needs to consider this issue at the next house keeping changes to the ordinance whether there needs to be a change to allow Assisted Care Living in private homes rather than in facilities. These were private referrals. Stephen stated that this is probably something the board did not even contemplate when the ordinance was drafted. Stephen had asked the Kidds to come to the meeting so the board could give their stamp of approval or disapproval so the neighbors would have no recourse. A motion was made by Jim Long that we accept it as it is and consider it just like Foster Care. Seconded by Davawn Beattie. A11 Aye RE: FRED CALDER REQUEST FOR A SIGN APPROVED TOPIC: (500,31,,,CALDER*FRED,SIGN,MAIN STREET,SIGN,SIGN ORDINANC) Fred Calder request for a sign at old I.B. & T Plaza at 145 West Main. Mr Calder explained he was requesting to place a sign at 145 West Main. At the present there are signs there and as he understood the square footage for that Plaza has been exceeded so he is not allowed to put a sign there. His proposal is there is an existing sign there for the China King Restraunt which is up high. Below that on the south side is an arm that swings two sides, one for the Chiropractor and one for the Boot Doctor and on the north side there is another arm under the China King Restraunt sign which swings one side. There is room for another sign the same size which is 2' x 4' to be applied there and that would balance that sign. As it is now it is unbalanced. There are a lot of businesses there that are in a "L" shape. . Stephen stated that we would have the same issue come up with the Broulims sign. A Shopping Plaza has not been addressed in the ordinance. Broulims could put one_of there signs they have requested on one. of their pads and the people with the pad could put their sign in front of Broulims with 240 Square Feet but Broulims can't put 240 square feet sign in front of their store. The ordinance allows off site signs. Mr Calder is in a "L" shaped plaza and the old I B & T building took half of the frontage when it was sold, yet you have eight additional stores. Jim questioned Dr Crouch's plaza? Stephen stated that Silvertree were here tonight and are probably interested in this samething. The ordinance also stated that if they want to have a free standing sign and marquees they would have to divide it in half. Broulims could put up 4'x 8' feet of plywood. The problem that exists is it is impractical for a shopping plaza to have a free standing sign of 32 square feet. Mr Calder stated that the sign he is proposing is the exact size of the signs that already exist. Mary Ann stated that if the arm was there then the pattern was set and it was grandfathered in. Stephen recommended that this board make some decisions as to how we want to handle signs for shopping plazas and determine if we want to tie it to their frontage or square footage. Stephen stated that Broulims give us a good example, they have effectively takers cut a half of a block. Under. Our Sign ordinance they \ ~ are limited to 32 1/2 square feet of on premise sign. Broulims gets the same amount of sign as Chad Blocker's bike shop would get. Stephen stated that for example on the Broulims sign the board could make a motion tonight to begin the process to amend the ordinance using the example of the Broulims sign and give them permission to proceed on the sign based on the fact the board intend to amend similar to what we have done on the fence issues. The Broulims will have three tenants signs. A motion was made by Roger Muir to approve Fred Calder's sign based on the fact that we intend to amend the sign ordinance. Let him put the sign in where the space is provided. Seconded by Davawn Beattie. All Aye Fred Calder also explained that there is one other problem that we have addressed before but never formally made a decision on. It was a mistake in the zoning map. The piece of property is located on 2nd South and 4th West by the Woodshed on the north side of the railroad tracks. He owns a warehouse on that piece of property. On the map it shows it as residential and it should be industrial. There isn't even enough room to build a house on the property. He wants it zoned industrial. It was an mapping error. A motion was made by Doug Smith to correct a mapping error on the zoning map to change the map to show industrial instead of residential for the South East Corner of 2nd South and 4th West. Seconded by Davawn Beattie. All Aye • Roger Muir left at 7:50 P. M. ~~ RE: BROULIMS SIGN TOPIC: (500,33,,,BROULIMS,SIGN,SIGN ORDINANCE) Broulims Sign- Rex Lylthe representing Lylthe Signs in Twin Falls was at the meeting to discuss the sign for Broulims. He showed pictures of signs in the area. He felt that it is ironic that off premise signs can be so large, but on premise signs are so restricted. This property is in a new transition the new property is enhancing in that area trying to compete with other buildings and structures that are out in the street. He showed a picture of the new proposed sign with the tenant signs. It is on foot higher than the existing sign. He felt that our sign ordinance is really strict. This building set far back into the lot making it necessary for good signage. They have 118$ running feet of street frontage across three streets. The actual square feet of the actual store is 47,037 square feet along with 12,000 feet of retail space still to be built. This is the only free standing sign they are planning on the property. Mr Broulims indicated that Thompson's are going to take out their building to open that area up. This proposed sign will be the only free standing sign on the property unless at the very most a monument sign. Stephen suggested that we need to change the ordinance to change the requirement for an on premise sign to the same size as the off premise sign and for shopping plazas allow ar. additional 48 square feet per tenant. You could say that is the perimeters on which you are going to work. Davawn stated that he would like to see us allow him to begin construction. Shopping Plaza tenants are excluded in the Sign Ordinance. Stephen stated if we allow this basically we would be giving Broulims 240 square foot sign and three 48 square foot signs for their tenants. He cautioned the board they need to be consistent with their decision. Stephen suggested that we tie it to existing standards we already have. One of those standards is you are allowing 200 square foot signs, possibly up that to 240 which might be a more standard size sign for the anchor tenant. You could say you are going to allow a 200 square foot sign for the anchor tenant and you may want to say you will tie that to square footage. Silvertree is developing a plaza with possibly three anchor tenants and they will take up more space than Broulims is taking up. You could say up to 50 or 75 square feet we will allow one anchor signs and up to 250 square feet and up to 4 tenants signs of 50 square feet. (John Millar returned at 8:20 P.M. and chaired the issue) Tenants are excluded in the sign ordinance. Stephen stated that they could say they recognize an omission in the ordinance and to accommodate Broulims that the intention is to give them at least 200 square feet for the anchor tenant and address some minimum standard for tenants. (Stephen left at 8:30 P. M.) A motion was made by Mary Ann Mounts to table this issue until we hold a special meeting at 6:30 P.M. on November 19. This would give the board time to study this and come up with a solution and a way to amend the ordinance because the ordinance does not address a shopping plaza. Seconded by Davawn Beattie. All Aye John Millar told the board to do their homework. He also asked the people from Broulims to see if they could come up with an alternative proposal. ~~ RE: LINDA EAMES P.U.D. ON 6TH SOUTH TOPIC: (500,34,,,TOWNHOUSES,EAMES*LINDA,6TH S.,APARTMENTS,STREETS) Linda Eames P.U.D on 6th South- She showed the plans. She had a preliminary approval for 18 units a few years ago. She sold the property and they did not get the financing and now she has it back. This is a P.U.D. townhouses with duplex apartments with attached double garages. The price range will be reasonable. The people would pay for the snow removal and yard care through a homeowners association. It will not be a city street, it will be a private street. The property is zoned M.D.R. John stated it would fall under joint wall development. This unit would allow for 3200 square foot per living unit, which far beyond the density allowed in M.D.R. John told her we do not address it in our current Ordinance and will need to talk to our Attorney about it. A motion was made by Ted Whyte and seconded by Mary Ann Mounts to table it until the next meeting in December. All Aye John asked Rose to review the minutes of her previous approval. RE: PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW OF A SUBDIVISION NORTHEAST OF TOWN TOPIC: (500,34,,,IMPACT ZONE,SUBDIVISION,BARNEY DAIRY RD,SNOW REMOVAL, UTILITIES,WATER,SEWER,SIDEWALKS) Brett Hastings- He stated that he will be in later to request a sign and the ~UggeBtionS tonight arc heeded bcCau3e it i~ tC~ re3trictiAe. He was at the meeting to show a concept of a preliminary plat which is in the Impact Zone which is N E of the city and zoned Rural Residential. The subdivision will have 21 lots with each lot being an acre or more. They will create a road that will come off of the existing Barney Dairy Road. This design had been presented to the county before. The road is not designed to create a cul-de-sack and should not be a problem for snow removal. They have adjusted the lot size to be one acre or more. The road width is 50 feet wide. They have tried to locate the entrance in a place of least danger on the curve and everyone is off the main road with one road going into the subdivision. There would be no other access onto Barney Dairy Road. John Millar stated one thing that had not been addressed is sewage disposal, water supple and storm drain disposal. Brett stated that they are not asking to be annexed into the city and are not asking for city utilities. That is the reason they sized the lots at one acre. They are proposing to have separate well and septic for each lot. In looking further down the road and tieing in with the city's plan they are willing to spend the money to put a road with curb and gutter in and easements for eventually sidewalks. At such time the city grows out to that point, it will be very easy to convert this subdivision and put them onto the city utilities. Joe stated that he had a problem with seeing more septic tanks going in there because that is going down into the aquafer just up stream from where we get our city drinking water. We hate to see the development ' ~ on Barney Dairy Road and this compounds it. They would not build until Spring. Joe stated that he is concerned about the long street. Our subdivision ordinance says our cul-de-sac couldn't be any longer than ~~ i~F 600 feet and that is 1200 feet. Brett stated it was not intended to be • a cul-de-sac just a street going around a curve. Joe stated that the fire chief is always concerned because as Joe felt it is a cul-de-sac with one street in and the curve takes the place of the turn around. If anything happened there is no other way the fire department can get in the subdivision. Joe stated that our arterial street plan shows that the Barney Dairy Road being a minor arterial and going on through and that hasn't been addressed in the street width. Joe said we have the Barney Dairy Road running east and west and the other road going down the section line. Brett stated that he could not plan use for other people's ground. He has only planned within the ground he has purchased and plans to-use. Joe stated those two streets are within the arterial street plan and need to be considered by the planning commission as to where there at and how does this subdivision lay in relation to them. Doug stated this subdivision is out of those arterial roads and does not touch those roads. Those arterial roads will only go along the side of the subdivision. John stated that we need to let him know if we are amenable to septic tank drain fields in the Impact Area. Brett said it is cost prohibitive to hook onto the city sewer. If they hooked on the city sewer they would have to split the lots. They do not feel that is the way that area cut there is best to be developed. The clcsest sewer line is down to Dean Ricks subdivision which is about a quarter of a mile. Joe stated the system would have to be a pump system. John stated that at some point we have to face that. At some point we need to ask are we risking the aquafer? Right now we don't have any information that says we are at risk or not. Brett stated that District Health will give their disapproval or approval. John stated that as a Planning & Zoning we would much rather see a sewage system than curb and gutter. Joe stated the street is something we need to discuss if it is going to meet city standards. We have the standard drawings for a city streets. Brett stated he did not have copies of the standard drawings, he had gone only by the subdivision ordinance which has no changes on streets in it. The development engineer should provide us with all the information. John stated that right now we do not have enough data to say this is the development that we need to hook onto the sewer. Mary Ann stated that it is the developer's. responsibility to get the data as to if we can allow more septic tanks. John stated he would like the developers engineer to visit with Joe on it. Brett said the reason he is here tonight is to get all of this information. This plat is drawn in concept only. He said he would not be willing to spend a lot of money to do tests just to have the board say no you will have to run sewer out there. He had already figured that amount and it does not work. It does not fit the area to go to quarter acre lots. • John stated we would not push water, just sewer. Joe said water is a problem because of fire control. It would make a difference in the fire insurance. Brett stated that the reason for building in the county is it is at a much less cost than to build in the city. The board asked Brett to come back with more information and an amended proposal. Joe said it did not meet the requirements in our ordinance for a preliminary plat. Brett said he was not asking for a preliminary plat approval. This was in concept only to get recommendations. He was not going to spend engineering money and then come in and have you tell him he needed to do all these things. John Millar told hum as far as roadways was concerned we will have to look at that because there is a discrepancy between the subdivision ordinance and the standard street drawings for the interior roads. There is the option of going with or without curb and gutter. RE: WALKER WATSON SUBDIVISION ADDITION AMENDED PLAT APPROVED TOPIC: (500,36,,,5TREETS,SUBDIVISION,BARNEY DAIRY RD,STREETS, PLOT PLAN) Kim Leavitt from Harper Levitt Engineering was at the meeting to present an amended plat for the Walker Watson Subdivision Addition Division No. 1. The reason for amending the original plat is Lot one exists and already has buildings on it; 40 feet was platted on the original plat to be the street; it has come to the attention of the Clty officials that a througai street may be ..~cessaN to .,.,.nnect over '- Y r . to Barney Dairy Road so the street connection is necessary at this time in order to get a 60 foot right, a way before another building. is built. They propose to connect on the the existing city street with a reversed curb for an extension of 4th North. E.C.I.P.D.A. will have to sign the plat. Lot 4 has a little bit of a curb and they are asking to straighten it out which increases the size of Lot 4. A motion was made by Davawn Beattie to approve the to amend the Walker Division 1 plat and seconded by Jim Long. A11 Aye RE: NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TOPIC: (500,36,,,C.U.P.,NEXTEL,WATER TOWER} Nextel Communications request for a Conditional Use Permit. They are going to put in a Personal Communications System. The site they have chosen is up on the south side of the elevated water tower and other communication systems. It would need a Conditional Use Permit. A motion was made~by Ted Whyte and seconded by Mary Ann Mounts. All Aye This will require a hearing before the P&Z and also the council. RE: FINAL LANDSCAPING SITE PLAN FOR WILCOX PROPERTY TOPIC: (500,36,,,WILCOX FRESH PACK,LANDSCAPING,FORSGREN,PARKING, STREETS) Final Landscaping Site Plan for Wilcox Property- John Millar declared a conflict of interest and asked Mary Ann to chair the issue. Kirk -~ Miller, Landscape Architect from Forsgren; presented the landscaping plan. They will be using popular and evergreens through out. (discussion on trees} As the other four lots develope they will be required to have landscaping. John Millar explained there is no on `~'~ parking designed on the street because of the type of business and . traffic. The only parking is off street. Davawn suggested that the evergreen trees be a 2" caliber and deciduous trees 4 to 5'. A motion was made by Jim Long to accept the site plan with the recommendation on the tree size. Seconded by Doug Smith. John Millar abstained.. All others Aye. RE: WILCOX SUBDIVISION PLAN APPROVED TOPIC: (500,37,,,WILCOX FRESH PACK,SIDEWALKS,RIGHT OF WAY) Wilcox Subdivision Plan- The formal plat is divided into 4 to 5 lots. Those lots will be zoned H.B.D. There will be a 25' right-a-way deeded to the city for Highway 20. Discussion on sidewalks. All the lots are developed they will put in the sidewalks. (discussion on sidewalks) A motion was made by Davawn Beattie to accept the plat pending a sidewalk to be put in on one side of the entrance from Highway 20 Connector. Seconded by Ted Whyte. John Millar abstained. A11 others voting aye. Meeting adjourned. • i •