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HomeMy WebLinkAboutP&Z MINUTES OCTOBER 26, 1994~,, DATE: (102694) Planning & Zoning 10/26/94 Work Meeting 6:30 P. M. Regular Meeting 7:00 P. M. Present: Chairman: Members: City Clerk: Attorney: Engineer: John Millar Davawn Beattie Jim Long Marsha Bjornn Mary Ann Mounts Jeff Walters Jerry Jeppesen Rose Bagley J. D. Hancock Joe Laird Work Meeting discussing Sign Ordinance. Discussion on size, height, and restricting projecting over the right-a-way. Regular Meeting A motion was made by Davawn Beattie and seconded by Jim Long to approve ;~ the minutes of 9/14/94. All Aye A motion was made by Jim Long and seconded by Davawn Beattie to approve the minutes of 9/28/94. All Aye RE: REVIEW OF THE LANDSCAPING AT THE COMFORT INN TOPIC: (300,109,,,LANDSCAPING,COMFORT INN,TREES,SCREENING) Glen Halverson was at the meeting to review the landscaping at the Comfort Inn. John Millar declared a conflict of interest and asked Mary Ann to chair that issue. (he handed out copies of plan with landscaping) There was an issue of screening. It would be difficult to plant trees 30' high. They have planted 6 1/2 high arborvitae trees on the south side and Colorado Blue Spruce on the east side. They were planted at 30' spacing. As those trees get larger they will spread out. Davawn & Jim told him the spruce are adequate. Glen said they had thought about poplar or aspen for the South but they loose their leaves in the winter and you won't have that screen. It also presents a maintenance problem with all the leaves in the fall. The landscaper suggested the arborvitae. Davawn told him that it has been his experience that the arborvitae stays so narrow, but would need to be planted closer. Jim Long stated that those arborvitae trees will never grow together and there will always be open spaces. If they were planted 5 feet apart they would be good screening but at 20 feet apart they will never be a good screen. Davawn agreed. Jim suggested that they plant some Austrian pines not in between them but as a double row (off set), that would screen it very well. It would be more economical that way. The committee agreed. ~~ RE: PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR DUPLEXES FOR BRAD LARSEN ON CORNELL AND 3RD SOUTH TOPIC: (300,110,,,PUBLIC HEARINGS,LARSEN*BRAD,C.U.P.,APARTMENTS, CORNELL,3RD SOUTH) 7:15 P. M. -Public Hearing regarding the issuance of a conditional use permit to allow the owner to put one duplex on each lot located at the corner of Cornell and 3rd South streets which is zoned LDR1.. Brad Larsen showed his plans and explained the plans. They would put a duplex on each lot. The only access would be off of 3rd South and the alley to keep the traffic off of Cornell. Cornell will see grass and landscaping, there .would be grass along 3rd South. There would be 17 parking places as called for in the city ordinance. The intention is one unit will be family and the other three units would be students. J. D. Hancock told him he could only have four students in each apartment. Jack Van Houten- It seems funny that you take our zoning away and put this in. It does not seem to fit with what we want in our community. Anita Williams- It is my understanding that every time you subdivide a piece. of property, there is suppose to be a hearing on it. This was not initially two lots it was one. John Millar told him splitting a lot would not be subdividing. You can split a lot as long as it complies with the minimum lot size. Jack Van Houten- Because you split it, does that mean you can put twice as much on it? You are trying to crowd something in that we don't want in our community. John told him when it was divided it met the minimum lot size in that zone. Jack asked, the very fact that they have a subdivision that is set up for certain zoning doesn't mean a thing to us if anyone can come in and change it to what they want? The very thought that we bought in there for single family dwellings and all of a sudden it is not good? John Millar told him we are here to here comment only, this is strictly a proposal. Anita Williams- Where are you going to pile the snow when you clean your parking lot out? Brad told her it requires 10~ for snow piling. He realized that it is residential along Cornell, but there other side is apartments and an university along the other side of the property. Anita Williams- when the first Apartment Complex was put in there was not a building permit obtained. He was told he could not get one, so he put it in anyway and got away with it. John told her no one in this group has any knowledge of that. Anita stated that the thing they are fighting most is inadequate parking. She has parking in the back and always has kids parking there, because most apartments don't have enough parking. John told her it is not only apartments but kids that drive from Sugar City and Rigby, that try to park as close to campus as possible. Three or four years ago we increased parking requirements for new developments. ~~ Jerry Hansen- There is a parking problem. There are cars parking in i front of his house every day. He suggested that there still would be more cars than spaces and there still might not be enough space for snow. Jack Van Houten- We are already so over crowded with people parking on our block, they are parking in no parking zones. John suggested that one thing we could do is enact a 2 hour parking limit between certain hours. Jack said there is already no parking on one side of the street, so they all park on his side of the street. He did not think that they were considering how much of a snow problem they have on that street. Jerry Hansen- In the winter time there is not much plowing of that street and if you have cars parked there and you slip and slide it becomes a huge problem. The more parking we have the more problems on the street. Jim Long- You are living within two blocks of the college campus, and in every town that has a college has the same problem. There is going to be cars and student parking. We need to ask if his complex is going to contribute to the problem? According to the code he is adding more of a problem? You are talking about a problem that is already there. As Jim could see it he did not think he was adding to the problem. ~~ Jack Van Houten- Are the parking places they have open to the public? ~-~ They will still add to our parking problem, because he will have more cars than allowed for. John told him we have monitored the .7 parking places and it is on the high side. Mary Ann- One thing we could do with a conditional use permit is to limit the number of students he could rent to with cars. Brad said he was planning 6 students per apartment. J. D. read from the ordinance the definition of a family which would be allowed in the apartments. "One or more persons occupying a dwelling unit and living as a single, nonprofit housekeeping unit, provided that a group of five or more persons who are not within the second degree of kinship shall not be deemed to constitute a family unless such five or more persons are handicapped persons as defined by the Idaho Code 67-6531 or as defined in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968, as amended by the Fair Housing Act Amendments of 1988." Jack Van Houten- We object to anymore student housing in our neighborhood. The people with cars coming to visit would add to the problem. Terry Wilcox- They own some property on Cornell. He did not know what Brad had invested in the property. They are not happy to see it come in. Among the people that are affected, there are a number of them that would be willing to try to help him get out of it by putting a park or parking lot there. ~~ Anita- I challenge you to live there and keep up with the garbage that blows down the alley and dread of having two more dumpsters blowing down the alley. Jerry Hansen- What will it do to the values of the property in the area? John- Discussion on family size. If he is not mistaken, the intent of the ordinance for allowing a conditional use permit for a duplex in LDR1 was for basically two single families, not to develope student housing in LDR1. A family unit is defined in our ordinance as four. Mary Ann- Told the group that we are sympathize with them, but we cannot discriminate against student housing. That can't be the basis that we make our decision on. Miriam Van Houten- She thought the committee should uphold the covenants. Mary Ann- Explained the federal definition of a family. John- told them if a Conditional Use Permit is issued, we can put any stipulations on it that we deem necessary that is reasonable. Brad Larson- Ask how the four for a family came about? Page 19 in our ordinance explains two are families are allowed with a conditional use permit. Jerry Hansen- Asked about the fence and entrance? J. D. Hancock- Read from the old ordinance the square footage required for a lot in R1. He bought the lots when the old ordinance was in effect and it was split under the old ordinance. Davawn- Asked Brad if he was still interested to just have four in an apartment? He said he was still interested and was not interested in Mr Wilcox's suggestion. Jack Van Houten- When the city closed the street up west of Cornell, 20 or more vehicles started parking on Cornell. If you put in these units, it will double the cars parking on that street. Jeff- He stated that it looks like there is a problem with the minimum lot requirements. Joe said he did not look at the lot size. J. D. stated that in the old ordinance it did not meet the lot size. Mary Ann- Stated that we need to consider issuing the conditional use permit for the duplex not the issue of student housing. John stated we can allow it with additional restrictions or make it more restrictive. We have 60 days to make a decision. Kathleen Peterson- If this does not meet the minimum requirements then why are we considering it? They had always understood that was one lot. /~3 ;'~~ A motion was made by Jerry Jeppesen that we table it until we research it to see if it really did qualify as a division of lots under the old ordinance. Seconded by Jeff Walters. All Aye John told him we will table it, we have 60 days to make a decision on this. We will let the residents know when the decision will be made. We will continue it at the next regularly scheduled meeting. RE: SIGN ORDINANCE DISCUSSED TOPIC: (300,113,,,5IGNS,SIGN ORDINANCE) Discussion the height and size of signs. A motion was made by Mary Ann that we take time to look at the signs for height and size and do it as a group. Seconded by Davawn Beattie. All Aye It was decided that we would go look at the signs November 4 during lunch. Davawn Beattie will provide a van. The city will provide sandwiches. Meeting Adjourned. i• •