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HomeMy WebLinkAboutP&Z MINUTES JULY 31, 1991!~ Planning & Zoning 7/31/91 Those Present: Chairman: John Millar Members: Chris Mix Jim Long Mary Ann Mounts Dan Hess Dave Pincock Scott Mortensen Chuck Frost Council Member: Glen Pond City Clerk: Rose Bagley Attorney: J. D. Hancock Planner: Ranae Magee Building Inspector: Glen Bean A motion was made by Dan Hess to approve the minutes with minor corrections, seconded by Chris Mix. All Aye. RE: FINAL SITE PLANS PRESENTED & DISCUSSED FOR NEW SHOPPING MALL Steve Pruitt representing Western Land Holdings presented final site • plans for the proposed development of the shopping mall. There are a few changes on this plan from the original site plan. The only major change is the proposed retail shops between the 37000 foot retail store and the Wallmart store have been reduced from 10,000 feet to 6000 feet. The plan shows the proposed grading and drainage plan for the property. They would have a traffic study done which should be ready to submit to the state in about 10 days. John Millar said one thing that had been discussed was the installation of curb and gutter and the widening of 2nd East in front of the proposed development. He also asked about the situation with the power poles. John told him all new developments in the city are required to have curb and gutter on highway frontage. He said the engineer would have that information. Jim asked if any consideration was given to trying to incorporate the existing house site landscaping and trees into the plan. Mr Pruitt said no, they might be moved and spread over the site. Mr Pruitt said it would be about a week to two weeks to finalize the other businesses, about mid August. The water and sewer is adequate for the proposed site. Their plan is to submit full plans within the next two weeks. John said due to the area along the river which is not being used it should fall into the requirements of the 15~ landscaping. John said he did not think there was any action at this time. John said we require a site plan, which we have now, the annexation ordinance has been passed conditionally upon closing, it would be commercial. Mr Pruitt said the parking is 7 car per 1000 ~~ ratio, after expansion we are at 6.2 cars. He would be over the parking requirements. RE: NEAL & BEVERLY TAYLOR APARTMENTS - 354 WEST MAIN Neal and Beverly Taylor - 354 West Main - Mrs Taylor said they had a change of plans and want to leave the lower level in a day care. She passed out a copy of the plan. They will have the upper level for apartments and have 10 students and a manager on that level. There will be 35 preschoolers in the lower level. The long range plan would be to go to all boys. They don't have enough time this year. John said he thought the property line is one foot behind the sidewalk in that area. The plan appeared to be okay for parking. Jim told them they didn't need to ask for anything if it is a dormitory, it is a permitted use. Melonie Davenport asked if it was a problem having a day care and young men in the same building. Mr Taylor said there would be two different entrances. John Millar told her the zoning ordinance does not regulate that. Possibly this could be governed by state law. RE: ZONING PROBLEMS AT 117 & 127 S 2ND E. (A.L. CRAMER) A. L. Cramer - 117 & 129 South 2nd East - He wanted to discuss some zoning problems. ,This property is in one piece. He asked if the board had ever considered changing the zone to make it attractive enough to be developed. Surrounding property has been re-zoned. The interior of the block is vacant. People are not willing to buy property in that area and put a nice house on it, when it is zoned the way it is. You have ar. arterial street there which distracts from Rl. It is a waste of land. He asked the board to consider changing the zone so developers would be interested. The board told him if a developer is interested they need to come to the city clerk and make an application to have the zone changed. RE: REQUEST FOR COLLEGE HOUSING AT 115 E 1ST N Debra Leatham - property at 115 East lst North -requesting to put college housing in the home at that address. (showing a plan for parking). There are two lots on East 1st North - one lot with a house is 52 foot lot and a 65 foot lot for a parking lot. There will be eight students in the up stairs. It would allow seven parking places. She said the property boarders commercial. The person who buys it will live in the basement. Chuck said the parking wasn't as wide as he standard to turn. It would have to go 40 foot. There is a fence in the back. The property is zoned R2 and it is a permitted use. Steve Blackburn -112 North lst East - His property is directly north of the property they are talking about. The south side of his house is twelve feet from the north side of their house. His driveway is on the east side of the property we are talking about and he has a driveway to access the back of his property. The fence surrounding the property belongs to Mr Blackburn and he had planned on putting a fence to the property line accessing onto the road. He understood the new ordinance /~-~ would not allow this type of housing. His concern is that if student housing goes in, the resale ability of his home next door to it would decrease the value. He was also concerned about having eight boys in there. He had children from 1 year to 16 years that are riding around there and playing in the back yard. You can hear everything outside the house. He is against this housing going in. Pamela Blackburn - The house he is tal'xing about is almost 100 years old. Since they moved into that house they have tried to restore it. If you don't care about it then it will end up like the one by Broulims. They have a girl in a wheel chair and she uses that sidewalk. Pamela did not want the traffic with them coming and going. She was very much against it. She said the neighborhood was against it. She was told right now it is permitted and with the new ordinance it would be permitted under a conditional use for six boys. It doesn't even need a hearing here except for the parking. Mary Ann said she would have to change the drawing on the parking and submit it. Mrs Leatham changed the drawing and submitted it during the meeting. Mr Blackburn said he and the owner Robert Bailey put a ten foot drive in and extended it out three feet. He would get it in writing and submit it. Chuck Frost said he did not have any problem with drawing as long as they build the parking lot to the standard. Even with the three feet they would still have enough room. John Millar told the Blackburns we sympathize, but there is only so much we can do under the requirements of the existing city ordinance. It is a permitted use under the current ordinance. Mrs Leatham was told to get a building permit and submit a scale drawing of the parking. RE: OLD DIET CENTER BUILDING FOR STUDEIVTT HOUSING Scott & Mirth Kidd - Presenting a plan to remodel the old Diet Center Building for student housing and presented a plan for parking. Scott said they want to do some remodeling for student housing. Only one home will be effected and they would put up a fence between them. When Glen Bean and the mayor came over and looked at it, the major concern was parking, but they have 78 parking places which is 6 more than they need under the present ordinance. There are 31 parking places in front and 41 in back and 3 at each of the houses. (discussion on the plan for apartments). They are creating new outside entrances. The two houses will be student housing also. Mr Kidd was told he would have to have a plan review with a detailed plan. He would need to have the plan drawn to scale and a plot plan showing the parking. It is a permitted use. A certificate of occupancy would be issued after the plan check and the building are finished. S RE: DISCUSSION OF A 9 PLEX APARTMENT BUILT BY RANDY LANDON /~ Randy Landon - proposal for a 9 plex apartment - (between 3rd and 2nd West and Main and 1st South) A petition was sent around to people within 300 feet after getting the list of property owners from the courthouse. (showed plans) This property will have to be re-zoned to R3. At the last meeting he was told he needed some topographies on the plan for drainage. The building would set 18 in. above ground level. The encroachment road coming in is 13 inches above ground level. There is a storm sewer, which takes the drainage. There will be sumps put in the parking lot area. The apartment size will be 520 sq ft. The new ordinance shows that property as a HBD. There is an easement along the railroad, which they discussed needed to be paved. He would need authorization from the railroad to pave it. The petition shows about 10 against and 25 for the zone change, three renters have signed the petition. The set backs would have to be contiguous with R2 zone. He was told he would need a wall or fence between his property and the R2 residential. A motion was made by Jim Long and seconded by Dave Pincock to recommend a zone change from R2 to R3. Glen Pond stated that the petition did not meet the 80~ in favor. The board felt it was a good use for the property. John said we can't approve the plans until the zone is changed. Those voting aye: Jim Long, Dave Pincock, Mary Ann Mounts, Scott Mortensen, Dan Hess - Voting Nay: Chris Mix. Mr Landon was told he will be required to get the right-a-way paved with 24' of asphalt surface and we will have to have the plan checked by a plan checker. Mr Landon said he would wait for the plan check until it was approved by the council. RE: DISCUSSION OF A 6 PLEX AT 139 W 4TH S (JIM DAYLEY) Jim Dayley - proposed for a 6 plex at 139 West 4th South. The zoning is commercial. (showed plans) John Millar asked how he would handle storm drainage. There would be a total of 54 young men with some managers. He was told it was not an adequate drawing, it needs to show how the storm drainage will be handled and he needs to follow the requirements in the zoning ordinance. It will also need a plan check. It is zoned for it and the parking is adequate. He was told to pick up a copy of the ordinance from the city clerk. With all the proposed student housing, Chuck Frost said he wanted to go on record that the college has no plans to expand beyond 7500. RE: PROPOSAL FOR CONDOMINIUMS AT 2ND W 6TH S - (BLAINE SHAW) Linda Eames & Blaine Shaw was at the meeting with a proposal for condominiums. After talking with the fire chief, they had revised the plan. (showing the plan) It is just north of the nursing home. They had some big units on the initial plan, but have since converted them to 4 plex. There will be four condominiums together with a total of 24 units. They had addressed all the nine things in the sub division ordinance. The plans have been approved by an engineer and notarized. They want to receive the Planning & Zoning final approval. The plan was drawn by Bi11 Bergner. John Millar told him Mr Bergner is not an architect. Blaine said the plan had been stamped by an engineer. He l ((J • was asked what his plans were for storm run off. Blaine said they planned to use the common areas to let the water drain into. He claimed there was not enough drainage for him to build storage ponds. Chuck told him he would not be able to get an easement through the college property of sewer, storm drains, water lines and power lines and they would have to run along the property line to tie into the storm drain on 5th South. The board told him he could not let it drain onto the grass. John told him we need something positive on the storm drainage: a positive way for retention or piping of the storm drain. He said he would pipe it on the lower corner. The streets will not be dedicated so the maintenance on the streets would be Mr Shaw's responsibility. The fire inspector indicated that there were no fire hydrants and needed to be some. Blaine said he would not have curb and gutter. The side that is on the city street will have to have curb and gutter. John stated that this would be preliminary plat approval. Some of the wording on the plat needed to be corrected. A motion was made by Dan Hess to approve a preliminary plat as amended addressing fire hydrants, curb and gutter on 2nd West, storm drainage and no easement to the north. Seconded by Scott Mortensen. Those voting aye: Dave Pincock, Scott Mortensen, Dan Hess, those voting nay: none. Chuck Frost abstained because it abuts college property. Jim Long abstained because he wants to see all the information. Chris Mix abstained because she was not familiar enough with it. Mary Ann Mounts abstained because she wants to see all the information. After reviewing the minutes of the meeting in June, the board found that the preliminary plat was approved at that meeting, so the motion is null and void. Mary Ann said we could not approve a final plat because everything is not there. John Millar said the plat does not comply with the state requirements for a final plat. The wording on the dedications is not correct. It will have to be signed by a licensed land surveyor. He ask why he wasn't told that last month. John said we did not need to tell him that, he was obligated to find that out or his engineer should know that. Blaine said he needed to start construction within 15 days. John indicated that one problem was he was trying to put it together himself without getting professional help. Blaine said he had followed the sub division ordinance book. Jim Long said if he had an engineer sign it, and he is a licensed engineer, he should be aware of these requirements and would have pointed these things out to Mr Shaw rather than just signing a piece of paper. John said the engineer that signed it does not practice as a professional engineer and would possibly not be aware of the requirements. The city requirements are in the sub division ordinance. The state requirements are in the Idaho Code. John recommended that he get with a professional land surveyor. The Planning & Zoning said they would hold a special meeting at 6:30 P. M. on on Wednesday, August 7 prior to City Council to approve the final plat. Mr Shaw said he was tired of the run around. He was told that if he would have gotten professional help he would not have had this problem. He stated that professional help was a big expense. He was told everyone else does it and it was for his protection. 1~ RE: PLANS FOR A SUPER 8 MOTEL (KENT JOLLEY) Lisa Jackson was at the meeting to present a plan for Kent Jolley for a Super 8 Motel. The plans will have to go to a plan checker. The board had previously checked over the plans at a previous meeting, there had been a few changes. John Millar told them they would have to address storm drainage. RE: PROPOSED EXPANSION OF WESTSIDE ESTATES J. D. Hancock representing Kent Taylor presented a plan for the proposed expansion of Westside Estates. They would add four more mobile homes. The zoning is commercial and we need the approval of the expansion. It now meets all the regulations of the Mobile Home ordinance. A motion was made by Scott Mortensen and seconded by Jim Long to approve the expansion and that it will meet or exceed all regulations of the Mobile Home Ordinance. All Aye. A motion was made by Dan Hess and seconded by Chris Mix to adjourn. • •