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HomeMy WebLinkAboutP&Z MINUTES JANUARY 29, 19872 Planning & Zoning ~ ,'~ . Public Hearing New Zoning Ordinance January 29, 1987 An Information Public Hearing for the new Zoning Ordinance and Map, held at the City Hall, January 29, 1987, at 7:00 P. M. Those Present: Planning & Zoning: Mayor: City Cierk: Chuck Frost Mary Lee Hill Jim Keller Chuck Porter John C Porter Rose Bagley Chuck Frost told the group that this was the 4th Hearing that had been held during January. We will use the information from the. hearings and compile a final draft. If anyone has comments about the proposed zoning map and proposed ordinance we need to have you fill our a form and give it to the clerk. When it is your turn to speak come up to the front and talk into the mike. Keith Steiner from Madison Memorial Hospital presented a proposal from the Hospital Board. They had prepared a proposal and presented prelimanary plans (copy on file) for expansion. It makes sense to the hospital board to lay the basic framework to how parking and building can adequately be considered on the new addition. There is a concern about the access road coming on to _ Millhollow Drive. Under the proposal to sell the three lots in the J Earl Garner addition, this would eliminate any question as far as the Morgan ..Drive residents.. This addition we have is currently Rl, and is designated for Hospital utilization. Under the Institutional utilization, we would still be able to expand onto the property with out any reclassification, and that would include a roadway. In our review of this.we have tried to be very careful as far as picking. a roadway that would have the least inpact to the residents. that are neighbors to us as well. In addition this proposal does entertain a proposal which you will hear later in this meeting from two doctors and their consideration for office space, adjacent to the Randall property. We do ask for your approval for our recomendations. Chuck Frost said someday you. will be .looking toward expansion, how many beds are .you looking at. Mr Steiner said currently the way the hospital is designed, we designed for upward expansion as well.. This would be looked at very carefully before we would simply add more buildings to adjacent. property. The two major patient pods are structured to go upward, as well as a large section of the center of the hospital. The front section of the hospital is not structured for a second story. Those two pods in that center section would give us-room for considerable expansion. The design also allows for outward expansion. from several locations. The old hospital is also under consideration, for remodeling, complete rennovation, or even removal for that type of expansion. Chuck Frost ask. about the old. hospital and leasing space for Doctor offices? Doctors that have ask about space, Mr Steiner has told them about the old hospital, but frankly it is not very attractive. He said that in the future F possibly that building could be .removed and doctors offices could be placed there. ` The proposal for the new doctors office is on their private property and not part of the hospital. Chuck ask him if the proposed .parking on the east of the property large enough to handle your need.. Mr Steiner said that type of parking would be our employee parking, and service parking. We still want to attract all our patient utilization from the front. 1 • • • ~~ r Jim Morris- The question arises in my mind, is it really necessary for Doctors offices on that street where it is a Rl residential area, and it will effect a number of people down there. I would think that there are other areas that %~ would do as well for that. They discussed the set backs and parking. As a resident, if this plan goes through I sincerely recomment a 50 foot setback from Millhollow curb as a green belt with shrubbrey which will set you back. If the doctor builds a clinic there, will the hospital immediately put the parking in, or is that down the road as needed 10 or 15 years. Mr. Steiner will establish clearly where this road should be on Millhollow. We would have to establish a. roadway into the Physician office parking space. Our plans would be to complete that roadway. Darwin Mickelsen- The lots I am talking about are on Maple and Linden, in the old zoning you allow a 5 foot side yard, you are proposing a 10 foot side yard. That is cutting anywhere from 14 to 20 per cent off my lots that are vacant there that cannot be used. Yet everyone next to me .and across from me have that extra because of the- 5 foot side yard. Also you say in Rl you can't put an apartment. In this area on the sides of me there is over 9 houses that have apartments in the basement. My property in in block 8 on Linden and Map 1e. Chuck Frost ask if the people in that neighborhood would Like it zoned R2 instead of R1. They probably don't, but that is cutting me down, and that is the same as stealing l~% to 20% of my property. Mayor Porter said we have discussed that in other meetings and we are thinking of changing the setbacks and side yard. Chuck Frost - If there are people that already have apartments in their • basement and it zoned as Rl. We could zone it RIC, but it would mean people who build in the future would not be able to put an apartment in. Darwin said he would not want the people that bought my property to not be able to put an apartment in when his neighbors are doing it. Chuck said it might have to designated as a different zone than R1, a single family dwelling. John- I would think .that those people up in that area"would probably go along with the idea, because it is a nice area. Eventually a lot of-them will abandon those apartments as they get larger families or put their kids in them. If they sell the house and it is zoned Rl, they can`t have an apartment. If they don't want that zoning, we can change it. For those that already have apartments we would have a grandfather Claus and they could keep it. Rex Larson- I live up in that area and there is a lot of homes that have rentals. Most of them are renting to young married couples, that are going to school and are here only during .the school year. Most of the have the apartments to help pay their house payments. Their homes are big enough that they won't need to use the apartments for their families. Chuck Frost said we would have to survey the neighborhood and see if they want it-zoned Rl or if they want to allow a conversion. Jim Keller ask Darwin if he was requesting that his lots be zoned R1C rather than R1. Darwin Mickelson- Said the next issue is Block 55 across from the Fieldhouse. • It was zoned commercial and you have changed it to R3, on both sides of it you have a saturation which you had before which allowed 60 units in an R3 per acre. Your proposal-now says you can only have I8. Chuck said that had bee pointed out and will be changed. Darwin said he wanted his property to remain commercial. Chuck. told him one reason that block was changed from commercial to R3 is because it is already occupied by apartments. Darwin said why did you change my property to R3 when I purchased it as commercial property. 7 ..~f That is taki~ig.my~commercial property away from me. In the zoning ordinance when you do have commercial property, you have said any commercial property {` boarded with residential property can't build within 60 feet of the residential area, when before you could build on the line on commercial property. Chuck Frost told him that is one of the problems we are trying to straighten out. Darwin, said on some of the business property, if you put a 60 foot set back you won`t have .any room to do anything on the property. It will limit you to building on 50% of the property. Chuck Frost said we might have to create a new zone for downtown commercial.. Darwin ask about the commercial property on Lot 3 Block 30. If you make me hold back 10 feet for the shubbery area and 60 feet for the parking area, you are taking 70 feet off the front so that doesn't leave much property and then you .have me 60 feet down the sideline, because I am next to a residential area, and it makes it so I can't build. That destroys the whole piece of property. John- In the old zone when two zones abut each other you have to go back 20 feet on commercial. In the hearings we discovered that some of the set backs in the new ordinance are wrong. We have 99 foot right-a-ways, so a 25 foot or 35 foot set back is a long ways back, so we are going to .revise all that. In the new ordinance you say that anything that is within 200 feet of a residential area will have to have a conditional permit, even though it is zoned commercial. The city doesn't have a 200 feet street, so anyting-that is across the steet will have to get a conditional permit. (424C) Darwin said he has a piece. of property that commercial in block 23, I have some buildings and my lumber yard. That property has been commercial. I want it to stay commercial, and I don't want a 60ft set back. John ask-him if he just wanted all of his commercial property to stay commercial. Jim Keller'. told .him that the buffer zones are set up to have them between commercial and residential, and instutional and residential. Darwin said he wish we would not even change the zoning ordinance at a11. If you start doing the buffer zone, and I try to sell the .property you-have just cut the value. in half. Lynn Davenport - On block 23 the south half .next to Dar Mickelsen, proposed to be changed .from R2 to R3. There is .only one lot in the neighborhood that is anything`but:residential, I feel that it is a step down to change that from R2 to R3. The only protection we have from the same thing Dar is talking about- is that it stay residential or we will not be able to sell our residence. There is a 4ples and a duples on that block. Dr. Daniel. Johnson. and Dr. Robert Lofgran was at the meeting, Dr. Johnson acted as spokesman. We have acquired 100 feet at the top of the property that was donated by the Randall Corporation.to the hospital. We are. anxious to build a medical building there. In our particular area of practice, occasional we get calls from the delivery that there is a baby that is not breathing., or an emergency call from the hospital .that there is a baby that is having a seizure. We feel like in pediatrics more so than in anyother medical speciality, immediate access to the hospital is of great concern. If we could be from our office to the delivery in 20 or 30 seconds, that would be important. We purchased this property from the Randall Corporation and are proposing it to be under instutional which is under Il Desigation, and it would encompass zoning requirement that we might have if you go along with the hospitals request for an Il zone. r 1 ~J • 3 Chuck Frost again mentioned that we need to include Professional Offices in the new,o~rdi~ance. Dr._Johnson.stated that in most-cities they include an area by the hospital for Professional Doctor offices ~ ~ Mayor Porter talked to an attorney about putting a section in the ordinance, for Professional offices, the same as Professional Plaza is zoned. That would be the way to go on that property you are talking about, zone it that way. Dr. Johnson said their plans are indef inate, and don't know when to say we will start. Chuck said we hope the new ordinance is ready to go by then. Dr. Johnson said they would appreciate the city considering it, because they had committed themselves, not fully understanding what was going on with the zoning at the of purchase. Chuck Frost told him is the new ordinance is not adopted before he gets ready to build, it would be necessary to come before the Planning & Zoning to get it approved. Dr. Johnson said he had a question about the set back,. they have been planning on putting a in the style of a single family dwelling, and a construction that would"fit into the neighborhood; but the 60-foot set back is so much it would make it difficult to squeeze in the parking and landscapting. We would be appreciative if we could have a 35 foot set back. The mayor said -they would be required to have a 25 foot set back like the houses in that area. Jim Flamm- I notices that on the map as the road comes around Smith Park,. it is not drawn correctly. It indicates that that has an even width, from the beginning of the point. where it starts around the corner up to the point where Reed Drive starts, which is fictitious. That road narrows down and creates a real bottle neck at that particular point. I was wondering .if there was plans made to • correct it as this map shows or if that is just an error.. That is a point that needs to be .addressed as the. development of this hospital takes place. It would be 4th East as it rounds. the corner. If this proposed Randall .property becomes zoned different, rather than Rl and allows for the, doctors office as well as parking, that is going to increase traffic. People go the shortest route and that will through traffic up Reed Drive and down Morgan Drive. The people on Morgan Drive are concerned about the traffic. If it goes through .would it be possible to close the end on Morgan Drive off at Millhollow, make a Cul-d-sac up there and eleimate that traffic problem in that favorable residential area. Mayor Porter- the problem with closing it, you would have to have a Cul-d-sac, -and someone would have to give some property on each side of the street. Jim said he understood that but in view of everything that is happening there I'm not so sure that would be that difficult. There is a vacant tot on both sides of the street. The mayor said you would have to have a hearing, and you would have to make sure you. could get .the fire truck in there. Jim said he disagreed with the set backs for commercial property, it would distroy so much commercial property. John Watson- Regax•ding restrictive covenants and the proposed ordinance. Does the restrictive covenants in any given area take priority over the ordinance? Chuck Frost said restrictive covenants are dominate. If the new ordinance does violate the restrictive covenants, we will have to correct it. Professonal offices on page 52 of the ordinance item 97, I read that as • saying professonal offices are perminted in the C2, Ml, M2 and Institutional 'Lone it is conditional., and in Cl it is conditional by hearing. Was it a decision not to include any professional offices in Residential Zones. MosP zoning ordinances in R2 and R3 because they are ressidential in character. 4 ~~~ Mr Watson said as he understood it you would include Professional offices and f, churchs in residential zones with conditional use. The solution would be to create a zone for professional offices. Mr. Watson the final question has to do with off street parking page 42. Regarding the schools, it feel pretty good, but on the parking for churchs .25 spaces per person, how would I interpret person? Chuck told him it would be the seating in the worship area. Mr. Watson told him that most of the ward buildings around have 80+. Jim Keller said we need to clarify the parking spaces for churchs. Robert Cureton- Block 25, this was zoned commercial, and you went to manufacturing, light industry district on the east half and then you dropped the west half to R2 and I would like it to conform with the balanace of the zoning in that area to bring it back up to R3. I wold like the west half of the block to be R3. I own a 80 x200 foot lot in there. There is two partially built buildings on that lot now. Mayor Porter told them thaw there is some single family homes along that block. In checking the zoning map it was existing R2 and we did not change it. Mr. Cureton said Nile Brown told him it was Commercial. Jim Keller said we would have to contact all the property owners to see if they want to change the zone. Gordon Black.- I live on Block 29 on Salem Ave. I am concerned about the zoning. I want it to be left R2 and not changed to commercial on West Main. Ted Garner- Block 15 on the north side.. We want our property zoned Industrial We have shops there. Jim Keller told them to bring in the property discription so we will know where the boundrys are so we can get it on the map. Ovez where the Medical Center is is zoned R2 it use to be a gravel pit, and it use to be .Industrial. They sold part of it to the Medical.~Center. We bought some property on that block that use to be a bee hive factory. We certainly did not buy it and pay that much money for it for R2. Mayor Porter. said it was always zoned R2, but the businesses that were there were grandfathered in. Garners requested that just their property be zoned R3, the piece in the back. They were told to get a property discription and bring it in, and leave the homes zoned as they are. Mayor Porter said Gordon Smith wants the north half of his block to continue as R2 instead of $1 as it has been changed. This is between 4th East and Madison Ave. He has some property that he wants to put apartments on. r ~ LJ