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Golf Board Minutes – June 10, 2025
Council Members:
Karl Boehm
Paul Sorensen
Brian Parkinson
Eva Wright Non-Voting Members:
Board Chairman Johnson Matt Nielson – City Finance Officer
Colin Erickson – City Council Member
Brent Mendenhall – County Commissioner
Spencer Rammell – Attorney
Cameron Garn – Golf Pro
Seth McFarland – Golf Ground
Greg McInnes – City Parks Manager
Justin Beard – City Engineer
4:30 P.M. Golf Board Meeting
Roll Call of Board Members:
Attending: Eva Wright, Karl Boehm, Paul Sorensen, Brian Parkinson and Chairman Jon Johnson.
Absent:
1. Review Prior Meeting Minutes and approval (Action Item):
a. May 13, 2025
Board Member Wright moved to approve the Golf Board Meeting Minutes for May 13, 2025; Board
Member Boehm seconded the motion; Board Chairman Johnson asked for a vote:
Those voting aye Those voting nay
Board Member Wright
Board Member Boehm
Board Member Sorensen
Board Chairman Johnson
The motion carried.
2. Financial Report
a. Review Financials – Matt or Noah
Staff Accountant Phethean reviewed the Budget Report for the Golf Courses. There is an increase from the
previous year and an anticipated increase in the daily play at the Legacy for this fiscal year. He expects revenues
from carts to decline slightly, although it was too early to say for sure. He said there was an increase in season pass
purchases at the Legacy. They usually stop selling season passes at the Legacy around July, so they still anticipate
several more to be sold this month and next. He forecasted the daily play will continue to increase at Teton Lakes,
and cart rentals were also projected to rise. The Season passes have continued to climb compared to last year. The
junior and senior passes were both up. He said he was especially surprised by the increase in family passes.
Golf Board Member Parkinson joined the meeting.
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Staff Accountant Phethean continued to review the Budget Report. This year, they sold a lawn mower for
about $5,000, which helped contribute toward capital assets. Regarding the budget, there were a couple of
expected increases in expenses for next year. They anticipate hiring another full-time golf grounds employee and
possibly adding support in the pro shop. He is not sure yet if the county has approved of those positions, but it was
something they are preparing for.
Staff Accountant Phethean reviewed the expenses in the Budget Report for the new hire split between Teton
Lakes, Legacy, and winter recreation sports, though the current budget figures reflected only the golf courses.
They also planned to purchase a golf simulator for approximately $30,000. That figure aligned with what they had
seen in pricing. The City Council had voted to include it in the city’s budget, and it had been passed through to the
county for consideration. However, we hadn't heard back from the county yet, as they were a bit behind in their
budget meetings.
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Board Member Boehm said looking ahead to 2026 in the budget report it looks like, they have several
purchases in mind: a new fairway mower, a utility truck, and a sprayer. Ground Manager McFarland said they
have recently received a larger utility cart they purchased this year. The fairway mower was one of those fast,
tractor-like machines with large cutting decks.
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Board Member Sorensen questioned one of the new hires that was budgeted under the pro shop at $8,317.
Golf Pro Garn explained that role would include some responsibilities during the winter, such as renting out cross -
country skis and managing the simulator. They budgeted for 17% of that employee’s time to be allocated to the pro
shop, with the remaining 83% under grounds crew duties. It was a unique structure, but it allowed them to get
more productivity out of one person.
Discussion regarding the purchase of a reel sharpener for $30,000. Grounds Manager McFarland said the cost of
the sharpener exceeded the amount budgeted; however, having the reel sharpener would significantly improve the
quality of our turf maintenance and help keep the grass healthy. The Board Members agreed the reel sharpener is
a solid investment.
3. Board Business/issues/problems/events
a. Cable Railing Updates and recommendations (Paul Sorensen)
Board Member Sorensen said he and David Decker went out to inspect the cable railing at Teton Lakes.
Originally, they were told that a special tool was required to tighten the cables, but it turned out that only a
wrench and a pair of vise grips were needed to hold the cable while tightening it. They tightened several of the
cables. The system used a crimped fitting on the cable and a bolt that ran through it, allowing for tension
adjustments. They realized that after a certain point, the cables would need to be re-crimped onto shorter lengths
to maintain proper tension.
Board Member Sorensen explained they encountered the following issue, if the bolts were tightened beyond
the length of the cap cover, they would need to grind down the ends for the cap to fit again. They also found one
post that hadn’t been drilled correctly. It bothered them to leave it in that condition, so they fixed it. Overall, the
cables appeared to be in good shape. They did seem to stretch over time, and the nuts tended to loosen as well. If
the issue recurred next spring, they planned to use lock nuts to prevent the nuts from spinning loose and to
better maintain the tension.
Board Member Sorensen said they did observe that children continued to jump and hang on the cables,
which contributed to the stretching. He mentioned the idea of adding signage to discourage people, particularly
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children—from stepping on or hanging on the cables. A simple sign with the messages "Do not hang or step on
cables" would likely help.
Board Member Sorensen said the railing should hold up well for now. The maintenance process wasn’t too
difficult unless the bolts ran out of length, in which case it could become a larger issue.
i. Sign Needed stating “Please do not climb or stand on the cables or rails”
1. Report from Cam if 2 signs ordered and placed
b. Consideration of tee modifications on hole #3 and possibly hole #2 at Legacy. The issue brought
forward to City Council 6/4/25 by a resident that lives along the canal on hole #3 with concerns of
safety and damage to property. The request was whether it would be possible to remove the large tee
box areas for white and blue on hole #3 and shorten the par 3 by having all tee off on the red tee box
and the number of balls going over the canal and into the neighborhoods. (Action Item)
Staff Accountant Phethean explained concerns were raised by a property owner near holes two and three at
Legacy Golf Course, specifically about golf balls frequently hitting his property. The property owner had
suggested relocating the tee boxes for holes two and possibly three to mitigate the issue.
Board Member Johnson said moving the tee boxes could make the problem worse. For instance, moving the
tee box on hole three to the west would place golfers directly in line with the property, increasing the risk of balls
being hit toward it.
City Attorney Rammell noted that during a City Council meeting, the property owner admitted he was not a
golfer. A humorous analogy was shared, referencing Jurassic Park, suggesting that just as life finds a way, bad
golfers also find a way to mis-hit balls. He said the mayor seemed open to solutions, but there were limitations
due to FAA regulations, especially regarding tree height and planting trees near power lines.
City Attorney Rammell pointed out that the property owner had knowingly bought a house adjacent to a golf
course. If the course is operated under industry standards, liability would be limited. There was also a discussion
about increased complaints from residents along Main Street and others near the course, including a recent
incident where a man's truck was hit by a golf ball, leading to a $1,700 repair bill.
Discussion regarding legal liabilities. City Attorney Rammell noted that installing netting or trees could
potentially create a legal standard that, if not perfectly maintained, could increase liability.
City Attorney Rammell explained that under Idaho law, golfers themselves were usually responsible for
damage, not the course, unless there was proven negligence.
Discussion: several suggestions were made to mitigate the issue. Some members proposed converting hole one
into a par-3 to reduce the use of drivers, which were more likely to slice and cause property damage. There was
also mention of possibly enlarging the practice greens to accommodate youth programming. Grounds Manager
McFarland mentioned three trees had already been planted near the tee box on hole one, and although small,
they would eventually grow large enough to provide some protection. It was suggested that more trees could be
added, however, City Attorney Rammell raised concerns about setting a precedent for other property owners
expecting the same considerations. It was noted that most of the errant balls seemed to land near a ditch or swell
area, which might help identify the highest-risk zones for future mitigation efforts.
Golf Pro Garn mentioned that a large net had previously been installed along hole two at Pinecrest, but it had
since been removed.
Discussion regarding golf course rules, particularly whether white stakes have been placed along the course
boundaries to help discourage golfers from hitting in that direction. The consensus was that, despite any
preventative measures, golfers would always find a way to miss-hit balls. Board Member Sorensen
emphasized that living near a golf course inherently came with the risk of stray balls.
Discussion regarding moving the tee boxes. Some of the Golf Board Members agreed that moving the tee boxes
was not a good solution and that changes should be thoughtful and purposeful, not solely based on complaints.
One suggestion was to enhance the practice area instead of altering the course layout, possibly by adding a
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chipping green. It was acknowledged that such changes could slightly alter the dynamic of the Legacy Golf Course
but could also provide valuable improvements.
c. Further Discussion on a resident discount on golf rates and fees
i. Review rate changes suggested for Fiscal Year 2026 with the idea that everyone would pay
the new higher rates unless they provide proof of residency that follows a policy that dictates
what is proof of residency. Proof of residency could include a utility bill, tax statement or
driver’s license showing proof of Madison County residency. If they did not provide
residency proof, then they would not receive the 10% resident discount. Discussion and Golf
Board Recommendation to elected officials needed regarding this possible policy change.
The hope is to pass these new rates by August 2025 effective October 1, 2025. (Action Item)
ii. Any changes to be advertised by August through the remaining part of this Fiscal Year 2025.
If going to do it would be good to implement later this season to notify golfers of changes for
2026 season
Staff Accountant Phethean explained the timing of the new rates and fees and acknowledging that it seemed
early in the year to be addressing them. They were moving forward with the changes early because the increases
were significant and required proper lead time for communication and implementation. Part of the reasoning
behind addressing the rate changes at this time was to align them with other upcoming changes in the recreation
department. By advertising all the changes at once, the golf course could avoid spending an additional $1,000 on
separate newspaper advertising for just one item, such as a single public hearing.
Board Members Johnson reviewed a draft of the new fee schedule and noted that it included a substantial
increase—around 25%—on daily play rates and passes. Despite that, the updated fees still included a significant
resident discount, which effectively kept the cost for residents about the same as the previous year.
For example, the family annual pass showed an increase, but the single pass only went up slightly, from $688 to
$701—about a 2% increase.
Board Member Boehm generally felt this was reasonable and appreciated that the increase mainly targeted
non-residents. He expressed approval of the approach, stating that non -residents should be contributing more
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financially, especially given how much they were already paying to play at other courses, such as in Idaho Falls.
He shared their experience of paying a high fee for golf in that area, even though the course quality was no better.
City Attorney Rammell explained that there had been ongoing frustration among some city and county
patrons over the high number of non-city and non-county residents using the Teton Lakes Golf Course. They
mentioned that the golf industry had grown, and more out-of-town players, particularly from nearby counties—
had been taking advantage of the local course’s affordability.
Golf Pro Garn noted that license plates from out of the area were now common in the parking lot, especially on
weekends. He added that Sundays, which used to be slow, had become quite busy with out -of-town patrons. The
staff also noticed the change, explaining that in the past they knew almost every player by name, but now they
frequently saw unfamiliar faces.
Board Chairman Johnson brought up the topic of locker rentals and noted that the price had increased by
26%. He pointed out that there was already a significant vacancy rate in the lockers, which made the price
increase questionable. Accountant Phethean recalled that during the first year of offering rentals, the lockers
were priced at around $100. When the price was later cut in half to attract more renters, the number of rentals
did not increase significantly. Instead, the revenue was simply reduced by 50%. As a result, lowering the price did
not help fill the lockers.
Discussion: the patrons currently renting a locker would likely continue doing so, even if the price increased.
They generally agreed that the revenue from lockers was minimal. The estimated total was about $1,000 if 10
lockers were rented at $100 each. While some saw it as an insignificant amount, others considered it a valuable
amenity. Board Chairman Johnson stated that locker rental was an amazing perk even if they are
underappreciated.
Discussion: possible ways to promote locker rentals more effectively, such as putting up flyers. Board
Chairman Johnson shared that they had paid around $40 per locker with a bundle discount, totaling about
$80 to $90 for the year. The first year, the price had felt too high at $100. Board Member Parkinson
mentioned a past issue involving the lockers. Apparently, there had been confusion and frustration when the
lockers were moved earlier than scheduled for paving. Notices had indicated a specific date for removal, but the
move occurred three days ahead of time, catching many users off guard. Some patron’s belongings were affected,
including golf bags that were relocated. He agreed that the lockers still offered value and that the price change
did not need to be a major concern.
Discussion regarding the proposed fee changes. City Attorney Rammell noted that the increases were minor and
appreciated the approach. He emphasized the importance of reassuring residents that these changes were
ultimately a benefit to them, highlighting that the golf course was a community asset. While non -residents were
still welcome, they would now help shoulder more of the financial burden.
Board Member Sorensen expressed that they liked the significant distinction between resident and non -
resident fees. This differentiation allowed the group to communicate clearly to commissioners and others that
when the parking lot was full and filled with out-of-town license plates, those visitors were now paying about
20% more than residents. He preferred a discount model for residents over simply adding a fee for non-
residents. He reasoned that taxpayers had already contributed through their taxes, so offering a discount to locals
made sense and felt fair.
Golf Pro Garn mentioned how the nine-hole cart fees had increased from $8.50 to $9.50, and some suggested
rounding it to $10. Similarly, eighteen-hole fees would go up from $18 to $20. He said he has also noticed a
sharp increase in private cart usage. What used to be just four or five personal carts had grown to as many as 40.
He noted that this trend could begin to cut into cart rental revenue. He mentioned concerns with how these
private carts were being used—often parked improperly, sometimes taking up two parking spaces, and even
driven right up to greens and tee boxes, which posed maintenance concerns.
Golf Pro Garn stated many families were not paying the appropriate trail fees. Some would claim they were
only playing nine holes, pay a reduced $4 fee, and have more than two people on their private carts on the course
all day. This raised questions about enforcement and fairness. There was some frustration expressed about
private carts in general. He said the patrons with their private golf carts were more likely to abuse the course
rules, and while they don’t damage the course’s carts, they often acted with a sense of entitlement.
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Discussion: They debated whether trail fees should simply match cart rental prices to eliminate the
incentive for underpaying. There were some that supported the idea of removing the trail pass altogether
and charging per use instead, while others felt the pass offered consistency and convenience for both the course
and users, even if the course didn’t always recover full rate. They recognized that more oversight and perhaps
policy changes might be needed if trends in private cart use and lost revenue continued.
Golf Pro Garn reported there is an increasing number of people bringing babies and small children onto the
golf course. He recalled telling a golfer recently, "Hey, just so you know, when you bring your baby out here, it's
probably not safe." The golfer replied dismissively, saying, "I'll do whatever I want." While that individual felt
entitled to make his own choices, it created discomfort for other players who did not want to worry about
accidentally hitting a child on the course.
Board Member Johnson asked if the patron bring the child to the golf course paid for the child to be on the
golf course. Golf Pro Garn responded that anyone bringing a child was supposed to pay a junior fee, although not
everyone followed that rule. There could be a "baby punch card" to manage the situation more formally,
especially with people using strollers on the course. City Attorney Rammell observed some golfers bringing
strollers that had been modified with drilled holes to hang golf bags —essentially turning them into makeshift golf
carts. He described seeing golf clubs hanging from stroller handles.
Golf Pro Garn said he will inform families to take their children to the Legacy Golf Course, where kids play golf
for free with a paying adult. He felt the Legacy Golf Course is a more appropriate setting for young children to
learn the game without interfering with regular play.
City Attorney Rammell volunteered to research what other courses rules are regarding bringing babies and
kids not playing golf to the golf course have done and planned to bring back recommendations for the group to
consider. They agreed to determine how and when to implement any new policies once a draft was ready.
Discussion regarding trying to maintain a proper pace of play. Golf Pro Garn noted that when he is not present, it
was more difficult to enforce. City Attorney Rammell suggested that the new motto should focus on pace of play,
and that they should post reminders everywhere.
Golf Pro Garn explained what he has been doing to address slow play. He began using the loudspeaker to make
announcements because signs were not always effective, many players simply drove past them without noticing.
He said that during busy times like Memorial Day, they made pace-of-play announcements every second or third
tee time, reminding golfers that the target time for a 9-hole round was around 1 hour and 45 minutes, or up to 2
hours on a holiday.
Discussion regarding Slow Play & Group Etiquette.
o Discussion included examples of large groups playing multiple balls per person, leading to
bottlenecks.
o A staff member recounted a specific instance where they waited at the first tee, caught up to the
group on the second, and eventually had to ask to be let through on the third hole due to
unreasonably slow play.
o These incidents were noted as examples of increasing entitlement, particularly among younger
players, contributing to poor etiquette and disrupted course flow.
Action Items:
• Reinforce course policies regarding golf carts and group sizes with all staff.
• Consider signage or additional staff presence to address group merging and slow play.
• Evaluate communication strategies for educating newer players on course etiquette and tee time
expectations.
Staff Accountant Phethean asked about verifying proof of residency for local discounts. They agreed on
accepting utility bills, tax statements, or driver’s licenses. Board Chairman Johnson suggested including rental
agreements, especially for students who often did not pay their own utilities. Board Member Wright agreed,
saying that a rental agreement for the current semester was reasonable. If someone wanted the discount, they
would make the effort to provide documentation.
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Grounds Manager McFarland suggested putting up a form online to streamline the process and allow people
to submit documentation before arriving at the course. This would help prevent delays and confusion at check -in.
Discussion regarding streamlining the residency verification process. Accountant Phethean noted that verifying
documentation could be very quick if people had everything prepared, potentially taking no more than 30
seconds per person. However, he acknowledged that during busy periods, like in April when the golf season
generally starts could slow down operations.
City Attorney Rammell raised a concern about how people would react when informed of new charges or
changes, especially those living outside Madison County. One example was a long-time customer who lived in
Mud Lake and expressed frustration after discovering a higher fee despite having purchased passes for over 25
years. Accountant Phethean commented that such individuals had benefited from subsidized rates for years and
that changes were necessary due to rising operational costs.
Discussion regarding how to avoid placing Golf Pro Gran in a difficult position when enforcing these policies. It
was recommended that if discretion was granted to him, the policy should be clearly defined to avoid
inconsistency or perceptions of unfair treatment.
Discussion shifted to the broader context of tax contributions, with staff pointing out that residents of other
counties benefit from lower taxes but still expect the same golf privileges, despite not contributing to Madison
County's budget. The idea of publicly communicating upcoming changes in advance such as a notice about fee
increases taking effect the following year—was suggested to give customers time to adjust and reduce surprise or
backlash.
Discussion whether longtime players who had supported the course for many years deserved special treatment
but concluded that longevity alone did not justify exemptions, especially if those players were not contributing
significantly through additional spending.
City Attorney Rammell acknowledged that any new policy should be enforced consistently and fairly.
Suggestions included setting specific eligibility criteria, such as offering consideration to those who had
continuously purchased passes for over 12 or 15 years. Still, some felt this would contradict the broader goal of
ensuring fairness and would create more administrative challenges.
Discussion regarding junior players, staff expressed a strong desire to continue encouraging youth participation
regardless of residency. They agreed that it was not necessary to require proof of residency from parents for
junior passes. The focus remained on keeping the sport accessible to local kids, even if they lacked standard proof
like driver’s licenses or utility bills. Junior Season pass sales were reported to be strong, and staff agreed that
promoting youth involvement was a priority.
Discussion regarding policies around enforcement could be changed internally without requiring a public
hearing, especially those relating to how residency or junior status was verified. They agreed to monitor any
emerging issues and revisit policies as needed.
Board Chairman Johnson moved to approve the Rate Changes as outlined except for the 9-hole and
18-hole cart rental to $10 for 9-hole and $20 for 18-hole; Board Member Sorensen seconded the motion;
Board Chairman Johnson asked for a vote:
Those voting aye Those voting nay
Board Member Wright
Board Member Boehm
Board Member Sorensen
Board Member Parkinson
Board Chairman Johnson
The motion carried.
d. Other Items as brought forward Staff or Elected Officials
Board Member Boehm said a lot of people had been asking about having small trash bins near the tee boxes.
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He added that they didn’t need to be big—just small bins for things like broken tees, small trash, or even
sunflower seed shells. There was doubt expressed that players would use them; however, the trash bin would
help with messes—like cigarette butts or pistachio shells.
Board Chairman Johnson asked how often the water cooler gets refilled. He mentioned they were often
empty now that the weather was hotter. Ground Manager McFarland noted that they had filled them every
couple of days.
4. City or County Input/Issues
a. Other Items as brought forward Staff or Elected Officials
5. Golf Pro’s update of issues/concerns/problems/projects
a. Update on Trailer signs for rentals-This has been ordered by city staff-hope to have installed soon
b. All Other Items as brought forward by Golf Pro
Golf Pro Garn said there were 150 junior golfers visiting from Southeast Idaho. He mentioned an upcoming
tournament hosted by BYU-Idaho on Thursday, which would use all 27 holes. Participants would break for lunch
and then return for another 9 holes, likely finishing around 3:00 or 4:00 p.m. It was mentioned that the
tournament had been held there for about 3 or 4 years and was a good event financially, paying between $8,000
and $10,000.
6. Golf Grounds Manager update of issues/concerns/problems/projects
a. Tee Box, netting, and Range Lights at Tee Box (Seth and Cam to come back with design proposal)
b. Update on mapping with GIS and our City Works Coordinator mark the location of all the irrigation
lines and equipment on a map with coordinates.
i. More work to be done here, marking sprinkler heads and noting pipe size.
c. Update regarding the signs that were ordered for Legacy parking several years ago. Not sure they
were ever installed.
d. Other items as brought forward by Golf Grounds Manager
Grounds Manager McFarland brought up the issue of parking signs at Legacy Municipal Golf Course.
Public Works Assistant Brandy Davis was supposed to have ordered signs designating parking spots closest to
the clubhouse for golf patrons only, but it was unclear whether the signs had ever arrived or been put up.
Grounds Manager McFarland reported the tee box project, noting that it had started and mowing would
begin soon. They expected the area to be in use within two weeks. Aerating had gone well, and the greens looked
good. They were still waiting for the cap to complete a wall project.
Discussion regarding the clubhouse air conditioning. The AC had been installed and was working, but not very
efficiently, especially because the building wasn’t well insulated. The swamp cooler was still in use, but it wasn’t
effective in extreme heat without proper ventilation. Board Member Boehm expressed concern that money had
been spent on a cooling system that couldn’t keep the building cool, and it should be fixed as soon as possible.
Discussion regarding the driving range lights. Golf Pro Garn agreed it wasn’t necessary to spend money on them
yet, suggesting that other priorities like tee box expansion and general maintenance should come first.
7. Determine Next Board Meeting Date/Time
a. 7/9/25 at 4:30 pm
8. Tabled Agenda Items to Consider:
a. Consider landscaped items at the service shop area after completing main parking lot/clubhouse
improvements.
9. Executive Session (Statute 74-206)-Only held if necessary, and subsection authorizing the executive session
must be stated-Generally held after regular meeting to discuss labor contract matters. (If necessary) (j) To
consider labor contract matters authorized under section 67-2345A (74-206A) (1) (a) and (b), Idaho Code.
Adjournment 5:47 P.M.